Page 15 of 59 FirstFirst ... 5131415161725 ... LastLast
Results 141 to 150 of 585

Thread: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

  1. #141
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Between Athens and Jerusalem
    Last Seen
    05-18-16 @ 07:06 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    33,522

    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And yet another thread turns into a giant anti-Obama daisy chain involving the usual suspects. You're going to start chafing at this rate.
    Obama does this to himself. Dont blame everyone else for noting the obvious.

  2. #142
    Sewer Rat
    Risky Thicket's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:09 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    23,803

    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    He's gonna inform you that the US "is not a democracy, we are a republic".

    That's on page 21 of the conservative debate manual, listed under "statements to cloud the issue with when you are losing an argument". You watch.
    Tell it!










    "When Faith preaches Hate, Blessed are the Doubters." - Amin Maalouf

    When trouble arises and things look bad, there is always one individual who perceives a solution and is willing to take command. Very often, that person is crazy. ~Dave Barry



  3. #143
    Villiage Idiot
    imagep's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Upstate SC
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    23,584

    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I don't know about 'winning' it but like taking credit for Bush's negotiated Iraqi withdrawal, I'm sure he will at least claim it to be so. And that will be enough for his chickenheads.
    It will be Obama's "Mission Accomplished" moment, just prior to the election.

    At least that's my theory.

    Might not turn out to be such a success long term, but by most accounts I am reading, this war is winding down fast. One Air Force General was just quoted as saying something to the effect of "ISIS is having difficulty gathering troops", and actionable targets are apparently becoming scarce.
    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    ...I'm not interested in debating someone who is trolling for an argument....
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

  4. #144
    Sage
    mac's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    DC Metro
    Last Seen
    11-13-16 @ 12:58 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    22,499

    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    Here is an ISIS fighter boasting that the air strikes are not militarily effective.
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/29/world/...terviews/index.

    Sadly, he is probably right. ISIS is an army of militiamen operating is relatively small groups whose main armoured vehicles are pick up trucks turned into Mad Max style "technicals". Most supplies- and they dont need alot, are requisitioned from the locals (voluntarily, forcibly or coerced) and transported in individual civilian trucks. Likewise, there are not alot of easily demarcated front lines in the fighting.

    As the similarily orgainized Serbs demonstrated in Kosovo, these types of forces mix in with civilians and can be very difficult to identify and stop. Then factor in that ISIS includes members who are veterans of both Iraq and Afghan conflicts who probably have a long list produced list of "dos and donts" produced by Darwinism when it comes to avoiding precision airstrikes.

    In short, my guess is that effective air strikes need US spotters on the ground.
    That explains the propaganda war to get us to stop.
    ”People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” --- Ben Franklin

    Quote Originally Posted by The German View Post
    Sterotypes are mostly based on truths.

  5. #145
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,689

    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    It will be Obama's "Mission Accomplished" moment, just prior to the election.

    At least that's my theory.

    Might not turn out to be such a success long term, but by most accounts I am reading, this war is winding down fast. One Air Force General was just quoted as saying something to the effect of "ISIS is having difficulty gathering troops", and actionable targets are apparently becoming scarce.
    "war"

    After several Missions the Brits actually dropped a bomb. Yay...war.

    Are we at war BTW?

  6. #146
    Villiage Idiot
    imagep's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Upstate SC
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    23,584

    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    "war"

    After several Missions the Brits actually dropped a bomb. Yay...war.

    Are we at war BTW?
    The media has hyped up the evilness and the power and strength of ISIS to the American public. You have Fox News which spent weeks ranting about Christians being persecuted by ISIS, and idiots like Rep. Trent Franks and Gov. Rick Perry, Lou Barletta, and Marco Rubio who have all been claiming that ISIS is planning on attacking us. That Franks guy claimed that we know it to be a fact that ISIS "we know that ISIS is present in Ciudad Juarez or they were within the last few weeks..."

    Apparently, conservatives like to have an enemy, a boogyman that they can be afraid of, and conservative politicians have jumped on this chance to turn ISIS into that boogyman.

    As far as the majority of our dumb arse citizens know, ISIS is the biggest threat that the US has ever seen, and they perceive our airstrikes against ISIS as being a war.

    It's almost a reverse "wag the dog" scenario.

    Republicans need to ridicule and criticize and attempt to control Obama, so republicans create the worst ever evil villan (by exagerating the threat and power of ISIS), and "force" Obama to combat that enemy.

    Obama needs a big win, so he sit's back goes along with the game (knowing all along what the conservative goal is). He is then (apparently) "drug" into this war, doesn't have a plan then comes up with a plan, and wins a "10 year war" in just 10 weeks. A pretty spectacular win at that (based upon the median and conservatives exagerating this enemy to no end), with zero or limited US military casualties. Obama becomes a national hero, and centrist and independent voters show up in drove to vote conservative idiots out of office.
    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    ...I'm not interested in debating someone who is trolling for an argument....
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

  7. #147
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,689

    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    The media has hyped up the evilness and the power and strength of ISIS to the American public. You have Fox News which spent weeks ranting about Christians being persecuted by ISIS, and idiots like Rep. Trent Franks and Gov. Rick Perry, Lou Barletta, and Marco Rubio who have all been claiming that ISIS is planning on attacking us. That Franks guy claimed that we know it to be a fact that ISIS "we know that ISIS is present in Ciudad Juarez or they were within the last few weeks..."

    Apparently, conservatives like to have an enemy, a boogyman that they can be afraid of, and conservative politicians have jumped on this chance to turn ISIS into that boogyman.

    As far as the majority of our dumb arse citizens know, ISIS is the biggest threat that the US has ever seen, and they perceive our airstrikes against ISIS as being a war.

    It's almost a reverse "wag the dog" scenario.

    Republicans need to ridicule and criticize and attempt to control Obama, so republicans create the worst ever evil villan (by exagerating the threat and power of ISIS), and "force" Obama to combat that enemy.

    Obama needs a big win, so he sit's back goes along with the game (knowing all along what the conservative goal is). He is then (apparently) "drug" into this war, doesn't have a plan then comes up with a plan, and wins a "10 year war" in just 10 weeks. A pretty spectacular win at that (based upon the median and conservatives exagerating this enemy to no end), with zero or limited US military casualties. Obama becomes a national hero, and centrist and independent voters show up in drove to vote conservative idiots out of office.


    Of COURSE. ISIS isn't evil all on it's own. The butchering of children...well...that was bad but not THAT bad. And poor Obama and all those democrats clamoring for action...they would REALLY prefer to be statesmen, but Fox News and the republicans are MAKING them go to war.

    It's not their fault.



    So...is that a yes or no? Are we at war?

  8. #148
    Villiage Idiot
    imagep's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Upstate SC
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    23,584

    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post


    Of COURSE. ISIS isn't evil all on it's own. The butchering of children...well...that was bad but not THAT bad. And poor Obama and all those democrats clamoring for action...they would REALLY prefer to be statesmen, but Fox News and the republicans are MAKING them go to war.

    It's not their fault.



    So...is that a yes or no? Are we at war?
    Of course ISIS is evil, but I suspect that it's not nearly as large or as powerful as it has been recently hyped up to be. The largest estimate that I have seen is that they maybe have as many as 85,000 strong supporters, of whom maybe less than half are actually combatants. The idea that this force would be able to conquer the world, and to invade the US, is ludicrous.

    Obviously this isn't an "all out WW2" type war effort, but yes, if we are using our military to bomb other countries, I would say that we are at war (more or less), even if an official declaration of war hasn't been voted on by congress (which is constitutionally required for it to be officially a war).

    Part of the issue I have with the far right mindset is that you guys can only see black and white. You seem to have this psychological or emotional need to determine absolutes. Few things in this world are absolute, there are varying degrees of almost everything.
    Last edited by imagep; 09-30-14 at 08:54 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    ...I'm not interested in debating someone who is trolling for an argument....
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

  9. #149
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 08:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,689

    ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Of course ISIS is evil, but I suspect that it's not nearly as large or as powerful as it has been recently hyped up to be. The largest estimate that I have seen is that they maybe have as many as 85,000 strong supporters, of whom maybe less than half are actually combatants. The idea that this force would be able to conquer the world, and to invade the US, is ludicrous.

    Obviously this isn't an "all out WW2" type war effort, but yes, if we are using our military to bomb other countries, I would say that we are at war (more or less), even if an official declaration of war hasn't been voted on by congress (which is constitutionally required for it to be officially a war).

    Part of the issue I have with the far right mindset is that you guys can only see black and white. You seem to have this psychological or emotional need to determine absolutes. Few things in this world are absolute, there are varying degrees of almost everything.
    So you are on record as saying Obama is such a limp impotent bitch that he allows himself to order military strikes because of Fox News. That all the democrats demanding action aren't doing so because they believe in their words but because they have been goaded into it.

    I think that's a weird mixture of pathetic and funny as Hell.

    Great. So...we are war. And how do you win a war? What is the end game? Who is the enemy?

  10. #150
    Villiage Idiot
    imagep's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Upstate SC
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 05:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    23,584

    Re: ISIS Boasts Air Strikes are not Effective

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    So you are on record as saying Obama is such a limp impotent bitch that he allows himself to order military strikes because of Fox News. That all the democrats demanding action aren't doing so because they believe in their words but because they have been goaded into it.

    I think that's a weird mixture of pathetic and funny as Hell.
    Sometimes things just come together, without even having a plan, and sometimes even well made plans end up backfiring.

    I'm saying that all he had to do is to sit back and watch those on the right inadvertantly make him a hero.

    And yes, it is "a weird mixture of pathetic and funny as Hell." I'm glad we could agree on that part.
    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    ...I'm not interested in debating someone who is trolling for an argument....
    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

Page 15 of 59 FirstFirst ... 5131415161725 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •