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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How did it work for the US? Not to good if you mean that Al-Qaeda was there. But you might find this interesting:
    "Our people consider al-Qaeda to be a plague that was sent down to us by the heavens. Some even concluded that al-Qaeda are actually the spies of America. Originally, the Taliban were naive and ignorant of politics and welcomed al-Qaeda into their homes. But al-Qaeda abused our hospitality. "
    New Statesman | Preview: Michael Semple interviews a senior member of the Taliban
    Yes, TDS, again, you have a penchant for Radical lies. What do you expect the Taliban to say? There goal is to get control of Afghanistan back and return to business as usual. They realize they can't do that through force so they are doing it through lies. It's amazing that you are so easily duped.

    Funny enough, you are missing the 800lb gorilla in that article. I ask you: Why does this unnamed "Taliban leader" wish to remain anonymous? I'll be over here in reality when you are ready to answer.


    "Contrary to the established perception that they are of one mind, the Taliban and al-Qaeda are not in lockstep. In fact, the Taliban in Afghanistan could be persuaded to renounce the infamous terrorist group led by Osama bin Laden.

    According to Alex Strick van Linschoten and Felix Kuehn at New York University’s Center on International Cooperation, the two groups did not get along at times before the September 11 attacks, and they have continued to spar since. Also, in their report, the authors claim that Taliban leaders were not informed by al-Qaeda in advance of the attacks on New York City and Washington, DC. “Bin Laden effectively manipulated the Taliban, using their lack of international experience to advance his own goals…. Significant parts of the senior Taliban leadership, along with rank-and-file commanders, were outraged at bin Laden’s abuse of their hospitality and his blatant disregard for their government.”
    U.S. and the World - Surprise! Taliban and Al-Qaeda are Worlds Apart - AllGov - News
    And again, you are willing to accept the excuses by a group that allowed Al Qaeda to operate openly within their own government for years while they attacked and murdered Americans because now that they can't win back Afghanistan they are ready to start telling lies so that idiots will let them back in. This too is the history of the world. Once properly beaten the enemy that is left is always ready to point at their dead comrades and claim it was all their fault.

    You are a sucker for their lies, TDS, plain and simple.
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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yes, TDS, again, you have a penchant for Radical lies. What do you expect the Taliban to say? There goal is to get control of Afghanistan back and return to business as usual. They realize they can't do that through force so they are doing it through lies. It's amazing that you are so easily duped.
    Of course. Everything that doesnt fit your narrative is a "lie".


    Funny enough, you are missing the 800lb gorilla in that article. I ask you: Why does this unnamed "Taliban leader" wish to remain anonymous? I'll be over here in reality when you are ready to answer.
    The answer to your question is in the 2nd sentence of the article: " The identity of his interviewee is protected, to allow him to speak freely about the upper echelons of the movement, but Semple has verified his seniority and cross-checked his account."



    And again, you are willing to accept the excuses by a group that allowed Al Qaeda to operate opening within their own government for years while the attacked and murdered Americans because now that they can't win back Afghanistan they are ready to start telling lies so that idiots will let them back in. This too is the history of the world. Once properly beaten the enemy that is left is always ready to point at their dead comrades and claim it was all their fault.

    You are a sucker for their lies, TDS, plain and simple.
    Again. Of course, everything that doesnt fit your narrative is a "lie".


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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Of course. Everything that doesnt fit your narrative is a "lie".
    No, everything that runs contrary to their history and has clear ulterior motivations is an obvious lie.

    The answer to your question is in the 2nd sentence of the article: " The identity of his interviewee is protected, to allow him to speak freely about the upper echelons of the movement, but Semple has verified his seniority and cross-checked his account."
    Again, WHY is he speaking anonymously? What happens to him if his name is made public?

    What happens to Emirate Mk II when their "Senior Leadership" is already crapping their pants about Al Qaeda reprisals for saying they don't like Al Qaeda?

    More importantly, if they are really just the misunderstood victims in all of this then why did they not welcome US troops as liberators in 2002 rather than TAKE UP ARMS WITH AL QAEDA FOR 12 F***ING YEARS!?

    Also, if they are just misunderstood peaceniks then why are they still killing US troops in Afghanistan?

    Seriously, how blind does one have to be to accept this bullS*** from a "Senior Taliban Leader" as the honest truth?

    Again. Of course, everything that doesnt fit your narrative is a "lie".
    Nope. These lies are obvious because they don't mesh with years of known collaboration with Al Qaeda and have an obvious motivation.
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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Then we are back at the original point.....incompetence in the waging of that war. 13 years, an array of allies and drone strikes in the thousands and the enemy is "not beaten down enough"...

    It simply is not working.
    But back to the reference to WW2, Japan and Germany suffered more destruction and loss of life than Iraq and Afghanistan has. In part, because of more precise weapons used in the past 13 years and a more restrictive rules of engagement.

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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, everything that runs contrary to their history and has clear ulterior motivations is an obvious lie.
    Except none of this runs contrary to history...

    Again, WHY is he speaking anonymously? What happens to him if his name is made public?
    "to allow him to speak freely about the upper echelons of the movement".
    Because he is talking about sensitive information.

    More importantly, if they are really just the misunderstood victims in all of this then why did they not welcome US troops as liberators in 2002 rather than TAKE UP ARMS WITH AL QAEDA FOR 12 F***ING YEARS!?
    No one else is calling them "misunderstood victims" except you.. .


    Also, if they are just misunderstood peaceniks then why are they still killing US troops in Afghanistan?
    Uhhh in his own words: "The Taliban are fighting to expel the occupiers and to enforce shariat... "

    Seriously, how blind does one have to be to accept this bullS*** from a "Senior Taliban Leader" as the honest truth?
    Then what is the "honest truth"?


    Nope. These lies are obvious because they don't mesh with years of known collaboration with Al Qaeda and have an obvious motivation.
    You notice how no one is saying that Al-Qaeda was allowed to stay in Afghanistan by the Taliban....


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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Except none of this runs contrary to history...
    Of course it does. It just happens to be the history you ignore.


    "to allow him to speak freely about the upper echelons of the movement".
    Because he is talking about sensitive information.
    No, it's because his head will be separated from his shoulders.


    No one else is calling them "misunderstood victims" except you.. .
    YOu are trying to paint them as victims of Al Qaeda while ignoring the long history of Taliban working WITH Al Qaeda.


    Uhhh in his own words: "The Taliban are fighting to expel the occupiers and to enforce shariat... "
    You are trying unsuccessfully to paint the Taliban as victims of Al Qaeda yet instead of working with the US to expel Al Qaeda THEY TOOK UP ARMS WITH AL QAEDA. You so conveniently ignore that after 9/11 the US first asked the Taliban to turn over Al Qaeda leadership to the US and the Taliban refused. You can't sweep this under the rug, TDS, no matter how inconvenient reality is to your ignorant position.


    Then what is the "honest truth"?
    That the Taliban want the people of Afghanistan under their boot heel again and will lie to the willfully ignorant dopes to get what they want.


    You notice how no one is saying that Al-Qaeda was allowed to stay in Afghanistan by the Taliban....
    Of course they were! They collaborated and gave safe harbor to Al Qaeda for YEARS before 9/11, and through numerous Al Qaeda attacks on the US. Criminey, read a book. And after 9/11 when offered the option of turning over Al Qaeda leadership to the US they decided to take up arms with Al Qaeda instead.

    But yeah, the silly interview you posted with a "Top Taliban Official" about how they really hated the Taliban even though they did precisely jacks*** to expel them is sooooooo compelling.
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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Again, you have learned nothing. We will always be a target of radical Islamist no matter how cowardly we behave.
    Indeed, and I'd argue it will make it worse, being cowards.

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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I think its common sense. IF the US gets out of the war, they no longer are involved in the conflict, the war is over for the US.
    They have already tried to attack us and wont stop. The solution-expose them to large amounts of rapidly expanding gasses and shrapnel.

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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    They have already tried to attack us and wont stop. The solution-expose them to large amounts of rapidly expanding gasses and shrapnel.
    Technically they didint.


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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Technically they didint.
    Technically they were stopped from doing it, thats all.

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