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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    You're just finding that out?
    Nah just reasserting my conclusion.


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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Bring them all home now.
    So we van send them back on a few years.
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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Hmmmm....All these articles from July of this year...What do you suppose that is tied to? I mean why the surge? Then I found this:

    "President Obama revealed his long-awaited plan for Afghanistan on Tuesday, announcing that a residual force of 9,800 U.S. troops will remain there for one year following the end of combat operations in December. That number will be cut in half at the end of 2015, and reduced at the end of 2016 to a small military presence at the U.S. Embassy."

    Obama to leave 9,800 U.S. troops in Afghanistan - The Washington Post

    So, when Obama announces a reduction in troop levels, and ending active engagement by our forces, thus surrendering our positions, the Taliban fills in, no big surprise...More example of current weakness on Obama's part.
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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Time.

    The fact that the US has thrown everything at them with the help of many other nations and they are still a threat proves they are wining.

    Can someone tell me what the objective is here? At first it was kill terrorist especially bin Laden. Then it was kill the Taliban and regime change, then it was about schools and women's rights. It's going on 14 years, the longest war in US history and there's no end in sight, the Taliban is still a threat if you leave, the heroin trade is stronger than ever.

    So what exactly has been accomplished? And what does "over" look like?
    It seems like we have none, largely because we haven't gone after this to win it....We held on to some hope that the people would stand up to the radicals with our help, instead they just count on us to do it all, then spit on our graves when our backs are turned....

    If they are the threat to us that we are told they are, and present ever increasing threat to our own homeland, then my suggestion is to stop playing around with theory, and hopes in this and go after it with overwhelming force, and burtality....Kill them all, let Allah sort them out.
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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It seems like we have none, largely because we haven't gone after this to win it....We held on to some hope that the people would stand up to the radicals with our help, instead they just count on us to do it all, then spit on our graves when our backs are turned....

    If they are the threat to us that we are told they are, and present ever increasing threat to our own homeland, then my suggestion is to stop playing around with theory, and hopes in this and go after it with overwhelming force, and burtality....Kill them all, let Allah sort them out.

    I can't support wholesale slaughter in any case, and especially here where you don't even know 'friend' from foe.

    Of course they will spit on your graves, an invading army is only welcome when the populace has suffered hard at the hands of their own government. Japanese lined the streets with home made flags when MacArthur rolled into Tokyo, not because they loved Americans, but because they had been starving, living on rats for weeks.

    People forget they have been occupied a lot in history, there is no love lost with the British, Russians will always be on heir **** list and now Americans.

    Instead of killing people at the rate of $1 million a head otr something, what if the US converted the poppy industry into a legitimate supplier of opiate medications? Income, work, infrastructue.

    In Germany, the 'enemy" came to be an ally against the Russians, not by being conquered and not right away, but after the Berlin Airlift and a few years of the Marshal Plan...that thinking is needed here as opposed to kill everything that we don't understand.
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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So we van send them back on a few years.


    For what?

    Are you admitting this is another Vietnam? Another "unwinable" war?

    You going to stay there decades or centuries...the same conundrum faced by the British in the late 1800's, again in the 1980's by the Russians and now with the US. Can;'t leave and can't stay.....just a money burner that kills American soldiers
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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Hmmmm....All these articles from July of this year...What do you suppose that is tied to? I mean why the surge? Then I found this:

    "President Obama revealed his long-awaited plan for Afghanistan on Tuesday, announcing that a residual force of 9,800 U.S. troops will remain there for one year following the end of combat operations in December. That number will be cut in half at the end of 2015, and reduced at the end of 2016 to a small military presence at the U.S. Embassy."

    Obama to leave 9,800 U.S. troops in Afghanistan - The Washington Post

    So, when Obama announces a reduction in troop levels, and ending active engagement by our forces, thus surrendering our positions, the Taliban fills in, no big surprise...More example of current weakness on Obama's part.
    Or it just signals that the historic trend of things. The Taliban has always been slowly coming back. We can not be in a constant war with them.


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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    For what?

    Are you admitting this is another Vietnam? Another "unwinable" war?

    You going to stay there decades or centuries...the same conundrum faced by the British in the late 1800's, again in the 1980's by the Russians and now with the US. Can;'t leave and can't stay.....just a money burner that kills American soldiers
    For what? Because the threat that we suppressed, not destroyed, we recover and become a threat, again
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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Or it just signals that the historic trend of things. The Taliban has always been slowly coming back. We can not be in a constant war with them.
    If we unleashed enough violence upon them, they would disappear.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Afghan president to sign deal Tuesday allowing US troops to stay after 2014

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If we unleashed enough violence upon them, they would disappear.
    Sure... The "kill em all" solution. Unrealistic.


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