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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Again, the DOJ does not have the authority to enforce such a demand to my knowledge, but it does have every right to ask the local police to change their policy or enforce, or whatever is appropriate here.
    So, as it relates to authority, it would be the equivalent of Al Sharpton ordering the Ferguson PD to remove the bands.

    Do you find it at all troubling, perhaps a conflict of interest, perhaps political intimidation or an attempt at illegal influence, for the Justice Department of the United States, a JD that has initiated an investigation into racism in the Ferguson PD, to try to wield authority they don't actually have?
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

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    You know, I actually think that was a case of Obama realizing a mistake. When he said "that could have been me", he was commenting on the verdict of a jury by the man's peers. That undermines the trust in the legal system; if it had happened in Jefferson's time he would have been impeached for obstruction of justice.

    I suspect the behind closed doors protest from trial lawyers, most of whom are liberals, warned him off further idiocy. If he had not ventured into the Trayvor thing, then his absence in Ferguson would not have been an issue. I suggest that because he had in that and other personal tragedies, the 'wronged' in Ferguson felt he had a responsibility to them because he had done so before, and by his absence, then, infuriated things even more.

    That's why I see him as a rookie, even now, six years in. He continues to play rock star/obamacare salesman without realizing there is 250 years of precedent.
    That's why, in my opinion, this is even worse. It went from a bad comment from the President to the DOJ that shows how interconnected they are to Obama politics, instead of even justice for all.
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    So, as it relates to authority, it would be the equivalent of Al Sharpton ordering the Ferguson PD to remove the bands.
    Probably not the comparison I would have invoked, but close enough. Kinda like Obama telling congress to pass a bill I think would be a better comparison. He is certainly able to ask them to do it, but then don't have any obligation to do so. Note that I am not an expert on the bureaucracy involved, but that is my understanding anyway. In this case, the article was clear that the DOJ was asking, not telling.

    Do you find it at all troubling, perhaps a conflict of interest, perhaps political intimidation or an attempt at illegal influence, for the Justice Department of the United States, a JD that has initiated an investigation into racism in the Ferguson PD, to try to wield authority they don't actually have?
    No one tried to wield authority they did not have. The DOJ is perfectly within it's rights to make requests. It may not be able to order the local police to do something, but they can certainly request their cooperation on a matter.
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Which is pretty much every one except the tiny handful of us waiting for more information and not taking a side.
    In this instance a racist is anyone who out of hand without any consideration to what actually went on assumes the worst about the white cop. The fact that the young man had just committed a strong armed and nearly killed a cop does not seem to matter to them.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    In this instance a racist is anyone who out of hand without any consideration to what actually went on assumes the worst about the white cop. The fact that the young man had just committed a strong armed and nearly killed a cop does not seem to matter to them.
    Pure unadulterated and transparent projection.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, it is the DOJ asking. There is a large, unsubtle difference between telling some one to do something, and asking them to do something.
    Hello I'm with the department of justice, never mind we're the largest group of lawyers on the planet, have shot wome holding babies, burned dozens of children to the ground, and never gotten charged, we would like to politely as you, no pressure, just a suggestion....."

    It's like when the mob asks, they don't have to threaten or claim authority, you simply do if you know what's good for you
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Probably not the comparison I would have invoked, but close enough. Kinda like Obama telling congress to pass a bill I think would be a better comparison. He is certainly able to ask them to do it, but then don't have any obligation to do so. Note that I am not an expert on the bureaucracy involved, but that is my understanding anyway. In this case, the article was clear that the DOJ was asking, not telling.



    No one tried to wield authority they did not have. The DOJ is perfectly within it's rights to make requests. It may not be able to order the local police to do something, but they can certainly request their cooperation on a matter.
    Let me give you an analogy that may better support my concern here. Let's say the SEC or the Justice Department is investigating J P Morgan for stock manipulation or insider trading. Would it be appropriate for either body, particularly the Justice Department, to "request" that J P Morgan stop operating in a certain manner, outside of the actual investigation, but within the operations of the business? Would that not put J P Morgan in a position where if they don't comply with the "request" of a law enforcement body investigating them, that law enforcement body may look upon that non compliance unfavourably when conducting the separate investigation?
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    In this instance a racist is anyone who out of hand without any consideration to what actually went on assumes the worst about the white cop. The fact that the young man had just committed a strong armed and nearly killed a cop does not seem to matter to them.
    Your comment is why I don't think these bands are racial in nature but related to police solidarity alone. I think there are a lot of people who think the worst of Officer Wilson because they distrust police, feel police act badly, feel police act rashly, feel police kill innocent people all the time. They're not focused on the race of the victim so much as what they see as police lawlessness.

    As such, these people who ignore the facts and think the worst of the officer aren't being racist - they're being anti-police. And I believe that the wearing of these bands, but the officers, isn't support for the "white" police officer, but support for the police officer who was just doing his job.
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    FERGUSON Mo. (Reuters) - The U.S. Justice Department asked the Ferguson, Missouri, Police Department on Friday to order its officers not to wear bracelets in support of the white policeman who shot to death an unarmed black teenager last month, sparking protests.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Do you?
    I'm not the one claiming that I do. Where do you live? Europe?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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