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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're trying to miss the point, obviously. Me:



    I've said the same thing 10 times, and yet you still misrepresent my position. And waiting on you connecting the dots explaining how the bracelets are a good way to support Wilson.

    And on the rest of it, you're digging a bigger hole for yourself. If you really cared about the Wilson or the police officers, you'd have been there. Right? That's the VanceMack standard for others! And you're making assumptions about someone you don't know a thing about.

    Without going into details, I've been on the BOD for 6 years of a charity that takes and houses about 150 men, most of them homeless before they came to us and addicted to alcohol and/or drugs. Most of them with mental illness. About 60% of them veterans. Lots of folks use our place as their first stop out of prison for parole purposes. If we had more room, we could house 500 men based on our waiting list. They work, cook their own meals, pay their fines and child support, clean their rooms, etc. They file tax returns, and I know this because I prepare a bunch of them for them. Etc. We do good work for people who don't have a lot of options.

    So good for you on your efforts. Those guys often need a lot of help. But you should avoid assuming you're somehow unique in this world, or that those who disagree with you must be bad people, instead of people who disagree but who have the same goals as you.

    Anyway, we're about to get the ban hammer, so I think I'll bow out for good. Later.
    Never said you were a bad person. I DO think it comical all the people that come out of the woodwork with this pretense of 'care' 2-3 times a year. They are no different than the anti death penalty crowd or either side of the abortion debate. Life isnt about 'causes'.

    Seriously...if people really cared about that community, their message MIGHT be hey...assholes...stop worrying about some cops wearing a wristband and start worrying that Johnny cant read, that Janey is knocked up again, that Joey is selling drugs on your front porch, and James just popped a cap in Tonesha next door. Start worrying that there are no jobs and no prospect of jobs. Start worrying about the 10 thousand people dead by members of the 'community' at LEAST as much as you worry about the 7 or 8 each year that are killed by cops under whatever circumstances.

    Bracelets? People want to worry about bracelets? Man...Im talking about bracelets...not the game...bracelets. Bracelets y'all.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Never said you were a bad person. I DO think it comical all the people that come out of the woodwork with this pretense of 'care' 2-3 times a year. They are no different than the anti death penalty crowd or either side of the abortion debate. Life isnt about 'causes'.
    No, you just wanted to point out you're better, which is totally different. And if you want to lecture someone about pretenses, how about you stick to people you know? Who are all "the people" that come out of the woodwork? How much time and money do they or I spend per year on charitable activities, and on which ones?

    Seriously...if people really cared about that community, their message MIGHT be hey...assholes...stop worrying about some cops wearing a wristband and start worrying that Johnny cant read, that Janey is knocked up again, that Joey is selling drugs on your front porch, and James just popped a cap in Tonesha next door. Start worrying that there are no jobs and no prospect of jobs. Start worrying about the 10 thousand people dead by members of the 'community' at LEAST as much as you worry about the 7 or 8 each year that are killed by cops under whatever circumstances.

    Bracelets? People want to worry about bracelets? Man...Im talking about bracelets...not the game...bracelets. Bracelets y'all.
    Great advice. I'm sure I'll give it the same careful consideration as you give unsolicited advice from liberals you've never met about how to best direct YOUR volunteer efforts.
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No, you just wanted to point out you're better, which is totally different. And if you want to lecture someone about pretenses, how about you stick to people you know? Who are all "the people" that come out of the woodwork? How much time and money do I spend per year on charitable activities?



    Great advice. I'm sure I'll give it the same careful consideration as you give unsolicited advice from liberals you've never met about how to best direct YOUR volunteer efforts.
    Check the list of threads here daily. How often do you see the people that rush in to these threads about a police incident or George Zimmerman start threads about the 5 kids killed and 43 wounded in Chicago last weekend alone?

    Please. You cant possibly think you are fooling anyone. Not even yourself.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Check the list of threads here daily. How often do you see the people that rush in to these threads about a police incident or George Zimmerman start threads about the 5 kids killed and 43 wounded in Chicago last weekend alone?
    How many 2nd Amendment defenders start threads about the children accidentally killed by guns last week, or spouses shot and killed by their husbands with the gun they keep in the house for protection? And if the answer is zero, do you give me permission to disregard their views on the 2A because they didn't meet an arbitrary quota of my own making of other gun related threads started?

    Please. You cant possibly think you are fooling anyone. Not even yourself.
    This is a debate forum. We are essentially engaged in something about as meaningful to the lives of others as watching Judge Judy. This topic is by any measure on a trivial issue. The Ferguson Police Chief made a decision without either of our input to ban the bracelets. I'm not fooling myself into thinking what I do here matters to anyone. It's entertainment and a diversion from my work doing accounting and taxes. So you'll have to explain on what topic I'm fooling myself.

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    Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    How many 2nd Amendment defenders start threads about the children accidentally killed by guns last week, or spouses shot and killed by their husbands with the gun they keep in the house for protection? And if the answer is zero, do you give me permission to disregard their views on the 2A because they didn't meet an arbitrary quota of my own making of other gun related threads started?



    This is a debate forum. We are essentially engaged in something about as meaningful to the lives of others as watching Judge Judy. This topic is by any measure on a trivial issue. The Ferguson Police Chief made a decision without either of our input to ban the bracelets. I'm not fooling myself into thinking what I do here matters to anyone. It's entertainment and a diversion from my work doing accounting and taxes. So you'll have to explain on what topic I'm fooling myself.
    For you to demonstrate a lack of consistency in the 2nd amendment defenders you would have to find some incidents where they are clamoring for control and others where they are not. I think your comparative analogy fails miserably.

    Your 2nd amendment argument actually more accurately describes the same types that are offering the pretense of care about this incident. Why is it they ignore the day to day gun violence and only lose their mind when the victim is a cute little pink child and/or the perpetrator is a white male?

    I can't speak for all the 2nd amendment types but I can tell you that I personally have consistently called for responsible gun ownership in every situation and increased penalties on everyone using a firearm in the commission of a violent crime. You want to try to play the snarky gotcha game, feel free to point out inconsistency in anything I have written regarding gun ownership. Good luck and have more fun than you can stand.
    Last edited by VanceMack; 09-30-14 at 08:38 PM.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    For you to demonstrate a lack of consistency in the 2nd amendment defenders you would have to find some incidents where they are clamoring for control and others where they are not. I think your comparative analogy fails miserably.

    Your 2nd amendment argument actually more accurately describes the same types that are offering the pretense of care about this incident. Why is it they ignore the day to day gun violence and only lose their mind when the victim is a cute little pink child and/or the perpetrator is a white male?

    I can't speak for all the 2nd amendment types but I can tell you that I personally have consistently called for responsible gun ownership in every situation and increased penalties on everyone using a firearm in the commission of a violent crime. You want to try to play the snarky gotcha game, feel free to point out inconsistency in anything I have written regarding gun ownership. Good luck and have more fun than you can stand.
    Obviously it was just an example to illustrate that your point was illogical. Maybe this will clear it up:

    https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem

    Your Logical Fallacy is ad hominem

    You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

    Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.

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