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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Link us to the post where I said they're protesting.
    1) "It's you who said the police officers have that right."

    2) I'm on hold so I'll review the tape....

    Jasper: I'm not defending looting or burning or lynch mobs - they should be arrested, charged, convicted and jailed. But then the vast majority of protesters are doing none of that - they're protesting, which is their right as an American.

    You: A right that the officers have, as well.

    Me: So police officers have a right to protest while in uniform, on the job? That's a new one.

    You: How are they protesting?

    Me: It's you who said the police officers have that right. You must have had a point, but I don't know what it was apparently.

    You: Link us to the post where I said they're protesting.
    I also said this to tres:

    "Ask the person I was responding to. I have no idea.

    I said the citizens have a right to protest. apdst said, "A right that the officers have, as well" which is true enough, but I'm not aware of any 'right' to do as you want while on the job, in uniform, which is what the current discussion is about.
    I have no idea what your point was.....

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Then if they aren't protesting anything, they should be allowed to wear them.
    So if they're not protesting they should be allowed to wear anything? Like pink knee socks, yellow rain boots with white polka dots and an "I'm with Stupid ===>" T shirt over their blues?

    Obviously I missed your point too...

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The U.S. Justice Department asked the Ferguson, Missouri Police Department on Friday to order its officers not to wear bracelets in support of the white policeman who shot to death a black teenager last month, sparking protests.

    Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/justice-depart...4135604.html35

    I don't know what you think but it looks to me like it will be a long time before there's ever any peace in Ferguson, Missouri.

    Basically what those cops are telling people is that they're going to do whatever they want to do.

    I don't believe that's going to bring people together.

    What do you think?
    Why does it have to make the statement that they are going to do whatever they want to do with impunity? Why cant it mean "We know him, we trust him, we believe in him, and we support him"?

    For people that dont know Tony Stewart, he is a NASCAR driver that killed a kid on a race car track. Some people suggested he did it intentionally, while others...drivers that know him, fans, track owners, and many others associated with NASCAR and sprint track racing...believe he would never have done anything to intentionally harm the kid and fully supported him. Does that mean all those that support Tony Stewart are pro murdering stupid 20 year old kids? (the fact the 20 year old is found to have been under the influence of marijuana AND got out of his car and ran towards the driver on a dark slick dirt track notwithstanding)

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Why does it have to make the statement that they are going to do whatever they want to do with impunity? Why cant it mean "We know him, we trust him, we believe in him, and we support him"?

    For people that dont know Tony Stewart, he is a NASCAR driver that killed a kid on a race car track. Some people suggested he did it intentionally, while others...drivers that know him, fans, track owners, and many others associated with NASCAR and sprint track racing...believe he would never have done anything to intentionally harm the kid and fully supported him. Does that mean all those that support Tony Stewart are pro murdering stupid 20 year old kids? (the fact the 20 year old is found to have been under the influence of marijuana AND got out of his car and ran towards the driver on a dark slick dirt track notwithstanding)
    I can't speak for others, but the short answer is obviously NO!

    But if you're family of the dead person, and NASCAR officials, and/or the appropriate police personnel who investigated it, show up ON THE JOB, IN UNIFORM with "I AM TONY STEWART" or "I Heart 14!" buttons on their lapels as they try and determine if charges should be filed, then the family should rationally suspect that the investigation might not be objective.

    It's really a very simple point - I can't believe it isn't obvious.

    It's different for Tony's crew or team members or members of his fan club or family. They have no authority. But the cops in Ferguson either did or still have roles in this ongoing investigation, and those that aren't involved directly still maintain the power to arrest and detain protesters. They have an obligation to at least pretend to be impartial while they're going about official functions - i.e. in uniform, on duty.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    then the family should rationally suspect that the investigation might not be objective.

    It's really a very simple point - I can't believe it isn't obvious.
    It's an irrelevant and stupid point, as the Officers are not, and have nothing to do with investigating Officer Wilson.
    It is nothing more than faux outrage from the idiotic protestors.
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I can't speak for others, but the short answer is obviously NO!

    But if you're family of the dead person, and NASCAR officials, and/or the appropriate police personnel who investigated it, show up ON THE JOB, IN UNIFORM with "I AM TONY STEWART" or "I Heart 14!" buttons on their lapels as they try and determine if charges should be filed, then the family should rationally suspect that the investigation might not be objective.

    It's really a very simple point - I can't believe it isn't obvious.

    It's different for Tony's crew or team members or members of his fan club or family. They have no authority. But the cops in Ferguson either did or still have roles in this ongoing investigation, and those that aren't involved directly still maintain the power to arrest and detain protesters. They have an obligation to at least pretend to be impartial while they're going about official functions - i.e. in uniform, on duty.
    If they arent involved in conducting the investigation then there should be no problem with them showing support for their fellow officer.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It's an irrelevant and stupid point, as the Officers are not, and have nothing to do with investigating Officer Wilson.
    It is nothing more than faux outrage from the idiotic protestors.
    Boom.

    It would be a salient point...if it were IA wearing the bracelets.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    It's an irrelevant and stupid point, as the Officers are not, and have nothing to do with investigating Officer Wilson.
    First of all, you have no idea if that's true or not. And whether the individuals never did or currently have no role in the investigation, they're still members of the police and have the authority to arrest and detain individuals.

    It is nothing more than faux outrage from the idiotic protestors.
    It's kind of funny that the defenders of the policy can't help but display their massive biases in this case. It's fine when you do it - not when police with the power to arrest and jail others do, while in uniform, ON DUTY.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    First of all, you have no idea if that's true or not.
    Your assertion is absurd.
    The investigation was turned over to another force.


    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    And whether the individuals never did or currently have no role in the investigation, they're still members of the police and have the authority to arrest and detain individuals.
    We are going in circles here.
    And? Just because they show support for a fellow Officer does not mean they are not impartial to the actions of protestors.
    And secondly they should be showing a bias towards law enforcement, not neutrality or lawlessness.



    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's kind of funny that the defenders of the policy can't help but display their massive biases in this case. It's fine when you do it - not when police with the power to arrest and jail others do, while in uniform, ON DUTY.
    Wtf nonsense are you talking about this time?

    The real blind bias is coming from the idiotic protestors.
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If they arent involved in conducting the investigation then there should be no problem with them showing support for their fellow officer.
    I think you guys are trying to miss the point, and succeeding. It seems impossible for someone to spend the trivial mental gymnastics necessary to achieve a bit of empathy here and put yourself in the position of the community. Assume, for example, the jack booted Obama DEA thugs shot and killed one of your church members, unarmed. Are you really telling me you'd have no problem if the DEA or FBI or anyone in the Federal government, still patrolling your little town, armed, with the power to arrest you and detain you and your neighbors, were wearing bracelets declaring their support for the person who killed your neighbor?

    I don't believe it, and I don't think you actually believe it, not if you had any doubt about the shooting.

    The problem here is I think you all have decided Wilson was right, Brown needed killing, so the police are on the right side. But the community the police officers serve don't agree, and they are the people who should matter - not guys on the internet 1,000 miles from the scene.

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