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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    It's indefensible for anyone in a position of authority wearing any bracelets announcing their bias in this case to those who expect impartial enforcement of the law. It's so obviously wrong that I can't believe conservatives have lined up to defend that kind of thing by the police, of all people.
    Oh please. Whoever told you that police were supposed to be impartial, clearly doesn't know the job of police, or prosecutor. It is up to the police to enforce the law, and the prosecutor to prosecute the law. Their "bias" exists the moment a charge is made. Both entities consider the criminal guilty from the jump. The impartial point comes when a judge and jury consider the charges, and if the state can prove their claim.

    It's OK that you've made your mind up before the grand jury has convened and heard and resolved the many conflicting accounts. You're not getting paid by that community to at least pretend to be impartial in an active investigation involving one of your own who might be guilty of, and charged with, a felony, up to and including murder. Or, he might be innocent. We don't know because none of us have seen or heard the conflicting evidence. We might never know what really happened.

    But in the meantime, it's a bit stunning that you think it's OK for those people paid to be impartial to declare they aren't to the people who pay their salaries to serve them. All it takes to know it's wrong by the police is to take the tiny step and put yourselves in the shoes of that community.
    No you have it wrong. Police are not judge and jury.

    OK, I can't read the bracelet - what does it say?
    Don't know, and it doesn't matter. You just said bracelets shouldn't be worn if people want to maintain professionalism. You didn't qualify that with what they said...
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Just asking, what "it" exactly? So I understand....
    Uniform policy.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Uniform policy.
    Is the "policy" of any localities uniform, the business of the DoJ?
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do you really think the police cannot make and enforce uniform regulations amongst it's officers?
    Any local uniform regulations should be dictated by the local police department- not Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do realize all laws come from "on high", with very few exceptions, as do most regulations?
    Actually, no, it is the opposite.

    Our justice system is extremely localized. Individual states pass most laws. Local District Attorneys, juries and judges then determine how those state laws are enforced and interpreted. Likewise, uniform regulations and policing policies are entirely the domain of the local police force.
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A right that the officers have, as well.
    So police officers have a right to protest while in uniform, on the job? That's a new one.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    what is that saying.....making a mountain out of a molehill

    you have a small department (approx 50 officers)

    one of their own is facing serious charges?

    they wear a bracelet in support of that officer.....

    maybe the officer is guilty.....maybe not

    the only thing they know, is that a fellow officer is dealing with a major crisis

    i would like to know what the bracelet says.....

    but until that is reported, i say no major issue here
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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    what is that saying.....making a mountain out of a molehill

    you have a small department (approx 50 officers)

    one of their own is facing serious charges?

    they wear a bracelet in support of that officer.....

    maybe the officer is guilty.....maybe not

    the only thing they know, is that a fellow officer is dealing with a major crisis

    i would like to know what the bracelet says.....

    but until that is reported, i say no major issue here
    The bracelets says "I Am Darren Wilson".

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is the "policy" of any localities uniform, the business of the DoJ?
    The Chief made the request of his men. If the order was unlawful, I'm sure he or his men would have not carried it out.

    What is so hard to understand?

    You want to focus on the DoJ, the rioters, the protests, the looters, the dead kid, the officer that shot the kid.

    Why not focus on the request by the Chief to his men. Period.


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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please. Whoever told you that police were supposed to be impartial, clearly doesn't know the job of police, or prosecutor. It is up to the police to enforce the law, and the prosecutor to prosecute the law. Their "bias" exists the moment a charge is made. Both entities consider the criminal guilty from the jump. The impartial point comes when a judge and jury consider the charges, and if the state can prove their claim.
    Yes, their duty is to enforce the law, and as of yet that shooting is still under investigation. And there is no charge yet - the grand jury hasn't met, the investigation is ongoing.

    It's obvious you've made up your mind that the Darren Wilson is innocent, the protesters are wrong, etc. And that conclusion before the facts are known is driving your opinion of the whole issue. Again, that's great for you. But it's unbelievable that you can't see the bracelets on the job in uniform are a terrible idea. If your son was shot by police, and they announced their biases this way, you'd be opposed. That's all it takes to understand why the community might object to them wearing them in this case.

    No you have it wrong. Police are not judge and jury.
    No, but they serve the people of Ferguson, and they don't pay them to wear bracelets saying, "I AM [the person whose actions you are protesting]" while in uniform, on the job.

    Don't know, and it doesn't matter. You just said bracelets shouldn't be worn if people want to maintain professionalism. You didn't qualify that with what they said...
    Well, that's not at all what I said, and I did qualify the statement. You can quote it if you want. I won't bother - not worth the effort.

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    Re: Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    So police officers have a right to protest while in uniform, on the job? That's a new one.
    What are they protesting exactly?

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