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FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

Travis007 said:
Islam is peace.. LOL...

Obama says we need to worry about radical Christianity and Judiasm..remember Wako..with the Jews they are into comedy and bad food and thats the real threat we face..

this is a non story as it was bad burger at BK that is the real problem in this story
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Islam is about as peaceful as christianity or the jewish faith (and even atheists) and also as violent as any of the other religions (or non religions).
 
American said:
Muslim-apologist response:

Christianity's War on Women started with Joan of Arc burned at the stake. :mrgreen:

Convert to Christianity or feel the heat. :lol:
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Fourth post in a thread that previous to your post only had right wingers posting in it. hrrrmmmmm....

Must suck to always believe oneself to be such a victim that one has to fabricate straw-man arguments so they can martyr themselves on their own pre-built cross.
 
When is Obama going to start calling a spade a spade..........This is not work place violence......It is a terrorist attack........Quit worrying about offending your brother Muslims Obama.
 
Navy Pride said:
When is Obama going to start calling a spade a spade..........This is not work place violence......It is a terrorist attack........Quit worrying about offending your brother Muslims Obama.
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:lamo

Six years in and we still have avid birthers pushing their tripe.
 
American said:
Muslim-apologist response:

Christianity's War on Women started with Joan of Arc burned at the stake. :mrgreen:

Convert to Christianity or feel the heat. :lol:
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well no that response is don't give people **** just for being Muslim

or say that Islam has to involve murder
 
Navy Pride said:
When is Obama going to start calling a spade a spade..........This is not work place violence......It is a terrorist attack........Quit worrying about offending your brother Muslims Obama.
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1.)Do you know something the FBI doesnt know?
2.)Why does Obama need to comment on this or any POTUS in that matter?
3.)You are calling it "work place violence"
4.)You still think Obama is a Muslim? But then again you are the one posting chain emails here..
5.)Whats wrong with being a Muslim?
 
Navy Pride said:
When is Obama going to start calling a spade a spade..........This is not work place violence......It is a terrorist attack........Quit worrying about offending your brother Muslims Obama.
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murder and assault possibly with religious motivations and maybe some crazy and anger mixed in but unless he attacked those women to convince other people to do something not terrorism
 
Islam Extremists.

I don't see what's so hard about just saying what it is. They're not Islamic - they're extremists using Islam as their bully-pulpit and excuse for their deprativity. They're making appeals to the psychotics and mentally deranged to feed their ranks who were not - are not - and never will actually be believers or true followers of any religion. If there was another more convenient religious practice to abduct and abuse for their twisted desires I have no doubt they'd do it.

It's like Hitler: he wasn't really a socialist - but he used 'socialism' to do what he wanted. He was an extremist who took advantage of a concept and used it as propaganda. Islam Extremists are doing the very same thing.

Not even something needing debate.

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Workplace violence? Nope. Act of terrorism - if lopping off heads of children and journalists in other countries is a form of terrorism then so is this situation. I see no difference here.

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I'm dreading what Obama is going to say about this - something benign and ridiculous - and it will likely be in direct contradiction to what everyone else will say . . . all of which would be 'speaking on behalf of the government' on the matter.

When **** unfolded in Australia I wondered just how long it would take before it happened in the US - only a few days, apparently.

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And the FBI is just *now* getting involved. What wait - with all the NSA and false cellpone towers they weren't at all aware of this guy? It's not like he was all mum on his feelings and opinions, here. Facebook for Christ's sake. Goes to show that our own taskforce is asleep at the wheel.
 
As I said, the ones that are encultered least (e.g., criminals like Alton Alexander Nolen) get influenced from extreme Islam best. Where the main culture fails the foreign culture takes over. If Alton Alexander Nolen liked it as much why did he not went to IS instead of killing civilians in USA?
 
Lord Tammerlain said:
I believe Alton Nolen was American born, controlling the boarder would have zero effect on preventing Americans killing other Americans
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I didn't say anything about the borders.
 
Deuce said:
The vast majority of murders committed in this country have been committed by Christians. When are we going to get around to taking this threat seriously?
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What does that have to do with what I said.

No more deflection, please.
 
jmotivator said:
Then there is the recent convert to Islam in the UK who decapitated an old woman while she was in her yard gardening.
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More bull****. His name is Nick Salvadore, he comes from a Muslim background family but is hardly a "good Muslim". He is a known drinker, gambler and has tattoos, not to mention a known drug dealer in the area. The whole "he converted to Islam" bs comes from an on and off employer that claims he told him in passing a few years ago....

Also this case is a clear cut case of mental illness. He cut the heads off two cats before he found the Palmira Silva.

But of course the British right and American right will abuse this tragic situation for political gain.
 
TobyOne said:
The FT. Hood shooter killed soldiers because of the war. He was using killing as a means to change the policy of the state he targeted. Hence, terrorism. This ass wipe in Moore was probably more bent on revenge. And even if it was religiously motivated, it doesn't make it terrorism.
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Right. My point is that religious motivation is not inherently terrorism. But in both situations now Fox News Lady has fixated on the fact that HE SAID MUSLIM THINGS THEREFORE TERRORISM.

As for Ft. Hood, since when is shooting at enemy soldiers terrorism? I mean, we shot at Iraqi soldiers as a means to change the policies of Saddam's government!
 
Deuce said:
Right. My point is that religious motivation is not inherently terrorism. But in both situations now Fox News Lady has fixated on the fact that HE SAID MUSLIM THINGS THEREFORE TERRORISM.

As for Ft. Hood, since when is shooting at enemy soldiers terrorism? I mean, we shot at Iraqi soldiers as a means to change the policies of Saddam's government!
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What is your definition of terrorism?
 
Mason66 said:
What does that have to do with what I said.

No more deflection, please.
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My point is that you perceive any random murder committed by a Muslim as "a problem within our borders" that the President must personally deal with, but you don't perceive the same about any random murder committed by any other demographic.
 
Ockham said:
What is your definition of terrorism?
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What's yours? If shooting enemy soldiers is terrorism, what makes US soldiers not terrorists? If anything, enemy soldiers are basically the only "legitimate" targets in war.

I would call Ft. Hood a war crime, murder, and treason. Why is that so offensive to conservatives?
 
Deuce said:
What's yours? If shooting enemy soldiers is terrorism, what makes US soldiers not terrorists? If anything, enemy soldiers are basically the only "legitimate" targets in war.

I would call Ft. Hood a war crime, murder, and treason. Why is that so offensive to conservatives?
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You're refusing to give your own definition of terrorism by deflecting and asking mine. You made a statement which was:

Deuce said:
My point is that religious motivation is not inherently terrorism. But in both situations now Fox News Lady has fixated on the fact that HE SAID MUSLIM THINGS THEREFORE TERRORISM.

As for Ft. Hood, since when is shooting at enemy soldiers terrorism? I mean, we shot at Iraqi soldiers as a means to change the policies of Saddam's government!
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Therefore you must have a definition of what is or is not terrorism so I'm asking, nicely, what that definition is which produces your quoted opinion above.
 
Deuce said:
What's yours? If shooting enemy soldiers is terrorism, what makes US soldiers not terrorists? If anything, enemy soldiers are basically the only "legitimate" targets in war.

I would call Ft. Hood a war crime, murder, and treason. Why is that so offensive to conservatives?
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I think the challenge people have in separating the two is the "Allah Akbar" chants and the ties to terrorist groups and individuals that have formed a common thread between these murderers.

It's kind of a mystery why people work so hard to deny the obvious.

Perhaps the demands from the PC patrol requires rejection of any connection that appear to be plausible.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Because there was a national uproar about it. I would be willing to bet he comments on this if there is one as well.
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The "national uproar" as you put it was brought about by race hustlers, and news outlets bent on promoting the Obama/Holder agenda of racial dividing for political gain. But your question was in why should Obama comment on this situation, and I would say that we have a situation where Obama is now using the Bush doctrine to go after the terror army ISIS, a known morph of AQ, whom he said they had decimated, and all but killed (which was a lie ofcourse). You can find the hypocritical truth of that by simply asking yourself why he doesn't say a thing about the hundreds of black on black shootings of a similar nature in Chicago every year...Not a peep from him on that Nooooo. Why? Because it wouldn't have furthered the false narrative that America is still a racist nation...Which ofcourse is just a cover for him to dodge any criticism for the terrible job he does as President by being able to evoke racism at any criticism.

There are an average of 44 murders per day in the United States (by far the highest in the developed world). Everyone of them is a tragedy. Do you want the president to address the nation for each and every one of them? We kill each other in this country at quite a rate. Hell more people die from murder in any given year in this country then terrorists would killed in at least a couple of centuries.
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Man, when you progressives are wrong you are really wrong....

"Washington (CNN) – As terrorism increasingly becomes a tactic of warfare, the number of attacks and fatalities soared to a record high in 2012, according to a new report obtained exclusively by CNN.

More than 8,500 terrorist attacks killed nearly 15,500 people last year as violence tore through Africa, Asia and the Middle East, according to the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism."

Terrorist attacks and deaths hit record high, report shows – CNN Belief Blog - CNN.com Blogs

Now this is the total of murders in the US in a given year...

2006 2007 2008 2009 2010
Total 15,087 14,916 14,224 13,752 12,996

EconomicPolicyJournal.com: How People Are Murdered in the United States

Now by looking at this even though the numbers are 2012 for terrorism, and 2010 for murders, they represent the latest numbers out by these organizations, and even comparable in amount. But, the number of terrorist killings in the world at this point in time outweighs the number of homicides in the US. So we can conclude about your statement here that either you pulled the number out of your arse, or are just plain out lying about it in order to diminish the state of war Obama has us in today, against the enemy that has called for exactly this scenario to occur. Either way, it is a bogus argument.
 
Deuce said:
What's yours? If shooting enemy soldiers is terrorism, what makes US soldiers not terrorists? If anything, enemy soldiers are basically the only "legitimate" targets in war.

I would call Ft. Hood a war crime, murder, and treason. Why is that so offensive to conservatives?
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It's terrorism, if terrorists do it. Hasan is an Islamic terrorist.
 
You could call all war terrorism by that definition. But that would stretch the definition in common usage.

Deuce said:
Right. My point is that religious motivation is not inherently terrorism. But in both situations now Fox News Lady has fixated on the fact that HE SAID MUSLIM THINGS THEREFORE TERRORISM.

As for Ft. Hood, since when is shooting at enemy soldiers terrorism? I mean, we shot at Iraqi soldiers as a means to change the policies of Saddam's government!
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TobyOne said:
You could call all war terrorism by that definition. But that would stretch the definition in common usage.
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In the past it was defined as

Acts of violence or threats of acts of violence directed at civilians in order to shape and change government policy

But now it changes to suit the will of the government (US in the following examples)

Russian actions in Ukraine have been called terrorism, Syrian government actions vs rebels (including ISIS) have been called terrorism.

Of course some in the US will call any act by a muslim to be terrorism, while calling the same act to be a murder or the act of a deranged person,

Ie the Sikh temple shooting Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
 
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