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    Re: FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    This was a random murder?

    Do you not see the similarity between this one and some things we have seen over there?

    How many random murders involve beheading?
    There are things called "copycat murders"
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    Re: FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    This was a random murder?

    Do you not see the similarity between this one and some things we have seen over there?

    How many random murders involve beheading?
    Terrorists sometimes shoot people, that doesn't make all shootings terrorism.

    If he was trying to achieve a political goal and scare Americans, he's a terrorist. If he was getting revenge for being fired, he's just an ordinary murderous lunatic.

    Let me be clear about my statements: I have not said "this guy isn't a terrorist." I don't know the full story of his motivations.

    What I have said is "being Muslim and killing someone brutally is not inherently terrorism." Saying "Allah Akbar" before you kill someone doesn't make you a terrorist any more than "praise Jesus" would.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    There are things called "copycat murders"
    Yes there are but that doesn't make this woman any less dead or her death any less brutal.

    The point was that these types of things don't happen in the US so there is nothing to worry about.

    The bad people are so far away, that nobody in the US should be worried.

    That is what the politicians are telling people, but we can see that it is not true.

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    Re: FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Yes there are but that doesn't make this woman any less dead or her death any less brutal.

    The point was that these types of things don't happen in the US so there is nothing to worry about.

    The bad people are so far away, that nobody in the US should be worried.

    That is what the politicians are telling people, but we can see that it is not true.
    Nobody ever said that murder doesn't exist in America, not sure where you got that idea.
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    Re: FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Terrorists sometimes shoot people, that doesn't make all shootings terrorism.

    If he was trying to achieve a political goal and scare Americans, he's a terrorist. If he was getting revenge for being fired, he's just an ordinary murderous lunatic.
    And since he is dead you don't know which one is true.

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    Re: FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    And since he is dead you don't know which one is true.
    Correct. Unless investigation reveals something to provide a better picture of the underlying motive. But "recently fired, goes back to workplace and commits murder" does not jump out to me as having a terrorists' motivations.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I would define it as the unlawful use of violence, threats, or other fear-inducing tactics against civilian or other non-combatant targets in furtherance of a political goal.

    Use of violence against military targets tends to be referred to as "war."
    So would you say it's impossible to cause terrorism against the military - For example, some future catastrophic bombing of the Pentagon would simply be referred to as an act of war even if it were perpetrated by a group like Al Qaeda or ISIS?

    And I'm not sure how one can understand someone like this guy Nolen, unless he comes out and confesses it was for ISIS. He could just say he felt the need to kill people in Allah's name - and given your definition that also would not be terrorism since there was no known political goal. Any one can then kill others in the name of a religion or for any reason and it's not terrorism unless there is some known political goal - even if the evidence shows intent, a admiration of a terrorist group, the yells of "allah akbar", acts which emulate other actual terrorist acts... that's not good enough is what your saying. Obviously I disagree and if that is the definition that is most often used, a redefinition is needed.
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    Re: FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why would you expect Obama, or any POTUS for that manner to comment on this story?
    Obama likes to get involved in small town America. http://www.usatoday.com/story/theova...mbly/16148309/

    Alton Nolen could have been his son.

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    Re: FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    There are things called "copycat murders"
    And now there are things called 'copycat denials'.

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    Re: FBI looking into Moore beheading after suspect tried to convert others to Islam

    So a mentally ill man who's a year out from a two year sentence for mutiple drug convictions storms out of his firing and goes straight across to attack his supervisors with his work tool. Terrible, terrifying, but not terrorism.
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