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Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

Barack Obama left the annual United Nations meeting Thursday with his presidency reshaped by a new era of global turbulence and his worldview sharpened by global jihadism's "heart of darkness".

Read the article here: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

The world has changed a lot in the last year and the USA and it's allies all over this planet have a lot of threats to deal with in the Middle East and in Europe and Africa.

The USA can't deal with all of those threats on its own, It will need the help of its allies.

What do you think?

I think he is right. I know I do not want us to continue to be the policeman of the world. I think our allies need to pick up a lot of slack. I think if something is happening in Europe's back yard, then Europe ought to take the lead and the heavy lifting. I realize there are places around the globe where we do not have that many allies, where we may just have to lead. But those allies of ours, if whatever is taking place in their backyard, then it should be up to them. We can help, but we should not jump into every little fray or ruckus that happens when we have allies closer to that ruckus or action.
 
Lame duck. Can't wait to get rid of this guy.

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I think he is right. I know I do not want us to continue to be the policeman of the world. I think our allies need to pick up a lot of slack. I think if something is happening in Europe's back yard, then Europe ought to take the lead and the heavy lifting. I realize there are places around the globe where we do not have that many allies, where we may just have to lead. But those allies of ours, if whatever is taking place in their backyard, then it should be up to them. We can help, but we should not jump into every little fray or ruckus that happens when we have allies closer to that ruckus or action.

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

Agreed! Who would come to our aid if we needed assistance, other than Canada? Hopefully, that will never happen, but I suppose it could. And I sometimes question what France is doing. It just seems like they are always agitating to get us involved in things, and while they are helping with eliminating ISIS, the threat is really in their own back yard, as you point out, so it's certainly in their own best interest to join in! Are the Eurozone countries and the UK helping?
 
Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

Agreed! Who would come to our aid if we needed assistance, other than Canada? Hopefully, that will never happen, but I suppose it could. And I sometimes question what France is doing. It just seems like they are always agitating to get us involved in things, and while they are helping with eliminating ISIS, the threat is really in their own back yard, as you point out, so it's certainly in their own best interest to join in! Are the Eurozone countries and the UK helping?

Evening Pol, it was announced today on the news the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark has joined the coalition. But only will bomb in Iraq and not Syria.
 
Evening Pol, it was announced today on the news the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands and Denmark has joined the coalition. But only will bomb in Iraq and not Syria.

Understandable - they have Russia to consider if they get involved in Syria. My daughter is visiting from Texas, so I've been out of the news loop for the past few days. Thanks for the update.....
 
Understandable - they have Russia to consider if they get involved in Syria. My daughter is visiting from Texas, so I've been out of the news loop for the past few days. Thanks for the update.....

Anytime Pol. My pleasure.
 
I think he needs to quit apologizing for the US.

I think he has to actually start before you can tell him to stop. Obama hasn't "apologized for the US".
 
We sell the combatants all the equipment, ammunition, and advise they care to afford. And let them duke it out.

This is the middle east. They will work out an under the table peace deal and we'll end up fighting everyone we armed... again.
 
His aid to Africa is well known. He banned racial profiling, preserved the 2A, gave pension benefits to same sex couples....

Yeah... Bush likes the blacks.



:lol:


But on a serious note... kudos to Bush for his efforts in Africa.
 
I guess bush was right all along.

Better late than never for Obama, though. Getting rid of holder, acting on Isis and Syria.... I'm starting to come around to the guy a bit more nowadays. He has grown as a president a bit.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063802413 said:
Ever heard of Osama Bin Laden?

And?? We are giving them all the hardware and training for free right now no strings. We did that in Afghanistan. We got bit in these with little to show for it. If we are gona get bit in the ass, we should get paid so it hurts them too.
 
And?? We are giving them all the hardware and training for free right now no strings. We did that in Afghanistan. We got bit in these with little to show for it. If we are gona get bit in the ass, we should get paid so it hurts them too.

And you see what happens when the US provides the enemy of my enemy with weapons. It rarely turns out well.
 
So what?

Bush had 8 years. What did he do to make the world a better place? :roll:

Fill us in.

So what?

Obama's had almost 6 years. What did he do to make the world a better place? :roll:

Fill us in.
 
This is the middle east. They will work out an under the table peace deal and we'll end up fighting everyone we armed... again.

What you think we aren't underhanded and sneaky enough to derail their peace talks?
Besides if we sold them the weapons and they turned on us it wouldn't be long before they needed new weapons. To help try to prevent such stupidity on their part, when we sell to them, we just put a caveat that if they use them against us, we will show them what real war is. As in what innocents, what religious places, what historical monuments, what schools, what hospitals, what life, what religion, what country, those wont exist anymore when we are through. We smile when we inform them of this aspect with their deal with the devil.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063802469 said:
So what?

Obama's had almost 6 years. What did he do to make the world a better place? :roll:

Fill us in.

Directly taking on ISIS.
Is going balls to the wall in Africa against Ebola.
 
What you think we aren't underhanded and sneaky enough to derail their peace talks?

no. I recall reading about what Russians blamed for them losing in Afghanistan. They said they could not strike legitamite deals with anyone. As soon as they would work out an alliance, that alliance would betray them. They said they could trust absolutely no one there and that's why their war failed.

PirateMk1 said:
Besides if we sold them the weapons and they turned on us it wouldn't be long before they needed new weapons. To help try to prevent such stupidity on their part, when we sell to them, we just put a caveat that if they use them against us, we will show them what real war is. As in what innocents, what religious places, what historical monuments, what schools, what hospitals, what life, what religion, what country, those wont exist anymore when we are through. We smile when we inform them of this aspect with their deal with the devil.

This is the scenario we are in. We arm them and now we are "showing them what real war is." It doesn't work. I'm all for stepping in against genocide. But proxy wars where we are clearly in but not in... blows up in our faces all the time. It never works. It's either shyte or get off the pot. You can't have someone take a crap for you when it comes to this stuff. It might work on smaller scales but not this big.
 
So what?

Bush had 8 years. What did he do to make the world a better place? :roll:

Fill us in.
Why do you insist upon answering a question about Obama by bringing up Bush? If the best you can do to elevate your guy is to compare him to failures of the past, you are simply confirming that your guy is a failure of the present. If Obama was a great president, you would be comparing him to great presidents of the past. Since you compare him to failures, you are only acknowledging that Obama is a failure upon which future failed presidents will be measured.
 
Directly taking on ISIS.
Is going balls to the wall in Africa against Ebola.
That's a pretty thin resume for a guy six years in. Plus its way too early to know if his actions in either regard will bear any fruit.
 
Why do you insist upon answering a question about Obama by bringing up Bush? If the best you can do to elevate your guy is to compare him to failures of the past, you are simply confirming that your guy is a failure of the present.
If Obama was a great president, you would be comparing him to great presidents of the past.
Since you compare him to failures, you are only acknowledging that Obama is a failure upon which future failed presidents will be measured.



Obama is not a great president,he's somewhere in the middle. Bush is one of the worst ever and history will record that.
 
Why do you insist upon answering a question about Obama by bringing up Bush? If the best you can do to elevate your guy is to compare him to failures of the past, you are simply confirming that your guy is a failure of the present. If Obama was a great president, you would be comparing him to great presidents of the past. Since you compare him to failures, you are only acknowledging that Obama is a failure upon which future failed presidents will be measured.

Why are you always running from Bush?
 
That's a pretty thin resume for a guy six years in. Plus its way too early to know if his actions in either regard will bear any fruit.

Posting a couple facts does not make a writing of one's resume.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063802462 said:
And you see what happens when the US provides the enemy of my enemy with weapons. It rarely turns out well.

If they are paying for those weapons they have to allocate and expend resources which go to us and not something else reducing their ability to turn on us. As of now these morons have the best of both worlds they have us playing the boob whose training and arming them FOR free while they then go and stir up trouble against us using the money they didn't spend to acquire what we gave them. They don't have to choose what to expend their resources on right now. Its time they started having to choose. They want to survive ISIS they pay out the ass. ISIS wants to survive the Syrians Kurds and whomever else they piss off today, they pay out the ass. We are the Devil they have to turn to, we should bargain like the devil and encourage them sell their souls to us. Force them to pay us everything they have just so they have a chance to survive their enemies.

If we really wanted to, ISIS would be dead and extinct within a month. In the process we would scare the bloody hell out of EVERY nation on this Earth, not something we should consider until we have a more robust ballistic missile defense system and good deal more nuclear delivery devices.
 
Why are you always running from Bush?
Im not. Just curious as to why leftist Obama puppets are constantly comparing him to the man they view as the worst president in history. But we both know the reason. Obama is just as bad if not worse.
 
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