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    Re: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Im not. Just curious as to why leftist Obama puppets are constantly comparing him to the man they view as the worst president in history. But we both know the reason. Obama is just as bad if not worse.
    Comparing the recent president to the next most recent president is hardly a deflection. Obama has turned around a lot of the trash of Bush's absolutely horrible presidency but Obama's accomplishments are not even close to what I want policy-wise. Of course he's not a dictator so he can't put forth all that he wants. If he got all of what he wanted it'd probably be a lot closer to what I want. I think he's horrible at over-compromising with people who have already admitted several times that they are out to take him down first and foremost rather than represent constituents or lead the country.
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    Re: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    no. I recall reading about what Russians blamed for them losing in Afghanistan. They said they could not strike legitamite deals with anyone. As soon as they would work out an alliance, that alliance would betray them. They said they could trust absolutely no one there and that's why their war failed.



    This is the scenario we are in. We arm them and now we are "showing them what real war is." It doesn't work. I'm all for stepping in against genocide. But proxy wars where we are clearly in but not in... blows up in our faces all the time. It never works. It's either shyte or get off the pot. You can't have someone take a crap for you when it comes to this stuff. It might work on smaller scales but not this big.
    Whats trust got to do with getting your enemy to sell his soul to you just so he gets a chance to keep breathing? We should always keep our end of the bargain, we should just fail to inform our enemies/clients that we are dealing with their enemies as well. Trust please. No trust is required. Just payment on delivery, or no sale. That's all. We have bigger guns than they do. They want our guns they come up with the cash. The object is to keep them occupied on each other and expending their resources countering the weapons we sell each side, hopefully getting them into a vicious cycle where both sides expend themselves to exhaustion or oblivion, preferably the latter. We act like a drug dealer and get the junkies hooked on our crack. If things go well our junkies stay hooked and stupid. If not then they kick our habit and become civilized at least for a period of time while they recover from their stupidity. In either case we come out ahead. If we are feeling especially manipulative we can shade the side we favor with better deals so they come out on top eventually. They get all the war they want until they don't want anymore or they are all dead, and we for the most part get to stay at arms length out of their crap which hopefully stays regional. Its time we bled both sides dry, the sides being Iran and Saudi Arabia who are funding all this crap.
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    Re: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Whats trust got to do with getting your enemy to sell his soul to you just so he gets a chance to keep breathing? We should always keep our end of the bargain, we should just fail to inform our enemies/clients that we are dealing with their enemies as well. Trust please. No trust is required. Just payment on delivery, or no sale. That's all. We have bigger guns than they do. They want our guns they come up with the cash. The object is to keep them occupied on each other and expending their resources countering the weapons we sell each side, hopefully getting them into a vicious cycle where both sides expend themselves to exhaustion or oblivion, preferably the latter. We act like a drug dealer and get the junkies hooked on our crack. If things go well our junkies stay hooked and stupid. If not then they kick our habit and become civilized at least for a period of time while they recover from their stupidity. In either case we come out ahead. If we are feeling especially manipulative we can shade the side we favor with better deals so they come out on top eventually. They get all the war they want until they don't want anymore or they are all dead, and we for the most part get to stay at arms length out of their crap which hopefully stays regional. Its time we bled both sides dry, the sides being Iran and Saudi Arabia who are funding all this crap.
    In the ME, who is your ally becomes your enemy in no time flat. So no matter how well you keep your agreements your goals always fall flat when the other end fails to follow through on theirs. Under Reagan, we armed Iraq and armed Iran at the same time they were at war with each other. Not only did it not work, it made everything worse for us from that point forward in that region. Such duplicitous actions tend to fail miserably.
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    Re: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    no. I recall reading about what Russians blamed for them losing in Afghanistan. They said they could not strike legitamite deals with anyone. As soon as they would work out an alliance, that alliance would betray them. They said they could trust absolutely no one there and that's why their war failed.



    This is the scenario we are in. We arm them and now we are "showing them what real war is." It doesn't work. I'm all for stepping in against genocide. But proxy wars where we are clearly in but not in... blows up in our faces all the time. It never works. It's either shyte or get off the pot. You can't have someone take a crap for you when it comes to this stuff. It might work on smaller scales but not this big.
    Side note we haven't shown anybody anything remotely like a real war since World War 2 when we firebombed several cities to oblivion. Tokyo, Munich, Hamburg, Dresden to name some. The nukes we dropped didn't do the damage our thousand plane firebomb raids did. People everywhere would take notice if we did something like that today. We have done real war in quite some time. Perhaps a reminder of war in its true form, is in order.
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    Re: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Side note we haven't shown anybody anything remotely like a real war since World War 2 when we firebombed several cities to oblivion. Tokyo, Munich, Hamburg, Dresden to name some. The nukes we dropped didn't do the damage our thousand plane firebomb raids did. People everywhere would take notice if we did something like that today. We have done real war in quite some time. Perhaps a reminder of war in its true form, is in order.
    I disagree.
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    Re: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    In the ME, who is your ally becomes your enemy in no time flat. So no matter how well you keep your agreements your goals always fall flat when the other end fails to follow through on theirs. Under Reagan, we armed Iraq and armed Iran at the same time they were at war with each other. Not only did it not work, it made everything worse for us from that point forward in that region. Such duplicitous actions tend to fail miserably.
    You don't get it, we aren't their ally. We don't pretend to be their ally. They are our enemies. We don't pretend otherwise. The only agreement we make is to sell them arms and military knowhow. That's dependent on payment. No payment no weapons. We are giving this stuff for free right now. Which puts us at more risk and costs us treasure. They want our weapons and knowhow then they or their allies ,which we are not, will come up with the cash if they wish to be viable against the opponent of the hour. If they point blank ask us if we are selling to their enemies we say yes. We don't advertise we are doing that. If they ask us why, we be honest, and say we hope you each kill each other off. Or you can be polite and say that we serve all clients. We didn't arm Iran at the same time they were fighting Iraq. The arms the had were the weapons the Shaw had bought before he was removed from power. They got the rest from the Russians.
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    Re: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    You don't get it, we aren't their ally. We don't pretend to be their ally. They are our enemies. We don't pretend otherwise. The only agreement we make is to sell them arms and military knowhow. That's dependent on payment. No payment no weapons. We are giving this stuff for free right now. Which puts us at more risk and costs us treasure. They want our weapons and knowhow then they or their allies ,which we are not, will come up with the cash if they wish to be viable against the opponent of the hour. If they point blank ask us if we are selling to their enemies we say yes. We don't advertise we are doing that. If they ask us why, we be honest, and say we hope you each kill each other off. Or you can be polite and say that we serve all clients. We didn't arm Iran at the same time they were fighting Iraq. The arms the had were the weapons the Shaw had bought before he was removed from power. They got the rest from the Russians.
    Funding both sides of a war... yeah. I guess its fair for you to say I don't get it.
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    Re: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Barack Obama left the annual United Nations meeting Thursday with his presidency reshaped by a new era of global turbulence and his worldview sharpened by global jihadism's "heart of darkness".

    Read the article here: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    The world has changed a lot in the last year and the USA and it's allies all over this planet have a lot of threats to deal with in the Middle East and in Europe and Africa.

    The USA can't deal with all of those threats on its own, It will need the help of its allies.

    What do you think?


    Heya SN. Yeah his presidency has been reshaped by Reality.....and not BO peeps grand delusions as to his Concepts about America. Like with everything else he has to constantly reset his policies. Which none of these resets have bettered our prospects.

    Granted we will need help from allies.....We will have to strengthen those Alliances, recommit....all due to BO's Inability in Understanding what Real Friends are all about.



    President Barack Obama glossed over some inconvenient truths Tuesday in his climate-change speech to the United Nations. For one, as the U.S. cleans up emissions at home, it's sending dirty fuel abroad to pollute the same sky. As well, the U.S. is not cleaning up quite as aggressively as Obama implied in his remarks. A look at some of Obama's claims and how they compare with the facts:.....snip~

    FACT CHECK: Obama in UN speech spins statistics


    Seems he didn't come out any better as any type of Statesman.....he went with the usual For himself and his Team. He Lied!

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    Re: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    Looks like the British showed your man Boehner how to do his job.

    While your President has been bombing the piss out of ISIL since Congress first went on vacation,
    the UK waited to piggy back off Mr. Obama when it was safe.

    I assume you wish the CiC and our troops success ?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya SN. Yeah his presidency has been reshaped by Reality.....and not BO peeps grand delusions as to his Concepts about America. Like with everything else he has to constantly reset his policies. Which none of these resets have bettered our prospects.

    Granted we will need help from allies.....We will have to strengthen those Alliances, recommit....all due to BO's Inability in Understanding what Real Friends are all about.



    President Barack Obama glossed over some inconvenient truths Tuesday in his climate-change speech to the United Nations. For one, as the U.S. cleans up emissions at home, it's sending dirty fuel abroad to pollute the same sky. As well, the U.S. is not cleaning up quite as aggressively as Obama implied in his remarks. A look at some of Obama's claims and how they compare with the facts:.....snip~

    FACT CHECK: Obama in UN speech spins statistics


    Seems he didn't come out any better as any type of Statesman.....he went with the usual For himself and his Team. He Lied!
    Still calling your Cic names huh.
    Yer just like yer GOP brothers and sisters at the Values conference .
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    Re: Obama leaves UN a changed statesman

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Looks like the British showed your man Boehner how to do his job.

    While your President has been bombing the piss out of ISIL since Congress first went on vacation,
    the UK waited to piggy back off Mr. Obama when it was safe.

    I assume you wish the CiC and our troops success ?



    Still calling your Cic names huh.
    Yer just like yer GOP brothers and sisters at the Values conference .

    Whats really funny is how you don't know **** about BO peep Nimby.....don't know nothing about him much at all.

    Why don't you tell all those Lefty pals of yours.....why BO trembled to walk the streets of Chicago. Why the average 3million other Chicagoans had no problem with it. When you can figure out what runs thru BO's DNA, then get back to me.

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