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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Then perhaps you should read the Immigration and Naturalization law and familiarize yourself with the guidelines and the history towhich this thread pertains. And if you think this is something new or just something that came about during the current Obama Administration...



    Becoming a Citizen in the U.S. Military

    So, this isn't anything new and I'm fairly certain those who are claiming ignorance on the matter are very much aware of it. It's just fringe distain on an ideological front.
    The requirements for eligibility are that the applicant must have served honorably or have separated from the service under honorable conditions, have completed one year or more of military service, and be a legal permanent resident at the time of his or her examination by USCIS on the Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
    This is important.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is important.
    Nice try. You pulled that from under the heading, "Peace Time Military Service". Try reviewing the section that covers "Serving During Hostilities".

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Did you reply to the right post?
    Yes. (See your post #62)

    This is a program to permit these folks to join the military and I see nothing in the article to indicate that they will be eligible for citizenship if they serve honorably or otherwise, so I didn't gloss over anything.
    Then perhaps you should study-up on DHS DACA policy not to mention INA law, section 329.

    There is also no guarantee that someone will be putting their life on the line although I'm sure there will be a number that will. Not all military positions involve combat, although it is certainly well known that it is possible.
    True on both counts. There is no guarantee that anyone who puts their life on the line in defense of our country won't turn on us. But truth be told there have been far more instances of U.S. citizens turning against their homeland from Benedict Arnold to Edward Snowden than the reverse. So, your concern though warranted isn't a strong valid argument. Also, you're correct again in that not every military position involves combat. Those aliens (resident or otherwise) who would participate under the Military Accessions in the National Interest program would largely be linguist not combatants. But you'd be foolish to think that we've never had foreign linguist go on SpecOp assignments during any of our foreign wars.

    I would not deny these folks citizenship, it is the US government that does.
    You're being petty here. Of course YOU wouldn't be personally denying anyone U.S. citizenship status, but I'm willing to be that if you could stamp their paperwork with "REJECTED" or "DENIED" in big, fat red letters you'd do it in a heartbeat!

    As for fear-mongering, I'll await your reply to see if you replied to the correct post. I've done no such thing in any way, shape or form.
    Again, see your post #62.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Nice try. You pulled that from under the heading, "Peace Time Military Service". Try reviewing the section that covers "Serving During Hostilities".

    Becoming a Citizen in the U.S. Military
    regardless of how long they have been a resident.
    A "resident" is legal.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    A "resident" is legal.
    There are plenty of illegals residing in the US!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There are plenty of illegals residing in the US!
    http://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary/...resident-alien
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    "Resident alien" is a political term! Do you deny that we have millions of illegals residing within our borders. One of them who served in the military, is in post 66 that you ignored.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    A "resident" is legal.
    Stop the foolishness, please. You're embarrassing yourself. INA law, section 329 reads:

    Sec. 329. [8 U.S.C. 1440]

    (a) Any person who, while an alien or a noncitizen national of the United States, has served honorably as a member of the Selected Reserve of the Ready Reserve or 1/ in an active-duty status in the military, air, or naval forces of the United States during either World War I or during a period beginning September 1, 1939, and ending December 31, 1946, or during a period beginning June 25, 1950, and ending July 1, 1955, or during a period beginning February 28, 1961, and ending on a date designated by the President by Executive order as the date of termination of the Vietnam hostilities, or thereafter during any other period which the President by Executive order shall designate as a period in which Armed Forces of the United States are or were engaged in military operations involving armed conflict with a hostile foreign force, and who, if separated from such service, was separated under honorable conditions, may be naturalized as provided in this section if (1) at the time of enlistment, reenlistment, extension of enlistment, 1/ or induction such person shall have been in the United States, the Canal Zone, America Samoa, or Swains Island, or on board a public vessel owned or operated by the United States for noncommercial service, 1/ whether or not he has been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence, or (2) at any time subsequent to enlistment or induction such person shall have been lawfully admitted to the United States for permanent residence. The executive department under which such person served shall determine whether persons have served honorably in an active-duty status, and whether separation from such service was under honorable conditions: Provided, however, That no person who is or has been separated from such service on account of alienage, or who was a conscientious objector who performed no military, air, or naval duty whatever or refused to wear the uniform, shall be regarded as having served honorably or having been separated under honorable conditions for the purposes of this section. No period of service in the Armed Forces shall be made the basis of a application for naturalization under this section if the applicant has previously been naturalized on the basis of the same period of service.
    But I'm willing to bet that even after reading this section of INA law you'll still argue against granting such individuals U.S. citizenship not based on the law, but based on your own ignorance and prejudice. Get over yourselves! This is something that's been in effect long before President Obama. But if you have a problem with it, write your Congressman.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I agree, while it has been donein the past I don't think it has been done to the scale that the government wants to now which is dangerous IMO.
    1,500 a year is large scale to you? Wow! I'd hate to see what a flood of immigrants looks like then.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    It's not unheard of to have non-citizens serving in the military. When I was in the Navy, most of the AKs (Aviation Storekeepers) and MSs (Mess Specialists i.e. cooks) were non-citizen Phillipinos. They dominated those ratings because they were among the few jobs non-citizens were allowed to have. Now that I've looked it up, it turns out there are almost 40 NECs that non-citizens are qualified for:

    Navy Jobs Available to Non-U.S. Citizens

    If done right, this probably won't be a bad thing.

    But it really irks me that government is focused on immigration to help pad the elections when there are much more important reforms that need to be done.
    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bingo!!!
    Then be upset that illegal immigrants are being used as political pawns, not because a select few would be allowed to go through a legal process granted them by law to gain U.S. citizenship status that's been in affect for decades.
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