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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    My grand parents worked for it, they didn't demand it. And no it wasn't. Every read about early 1900s immigrants and what hoops they were made to jump through. Hell, the even spelled my fathers name wrong and told my grand parents "too bad" its the American spelling now.
    The hoops aren't the issue, the numbers are the issue. They didn't sit in Italy waiting for citizenship to open up for 10 years. They took a boat over because the US demanded labor and jumped through processing hoops. There's a very big difference between the ridiculousness of late 19th century early 20th century immigration processing and our current system where we just don't let people in. Do you think those people south of the border wouldn't jump through any hoops possible? If we had an immigration processing center such as Ellis Island though would go through that route to become citizens, instead they are just straight up told there's no room for them.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    The hoops aren't the issue, the numbers are the issue. They didn't sit in Italy waiting for citizenship to open up for 10 years. They took a boat over because the US demanded labor and jumped through processing hoops. There's a very big difference between the ridiculousness of late 19th century early 20th century immigration processing and our current system where we just don't let people in. Do you think those people south of the border wouldn't jump through any hoops possible? If we had an immigration processing center such as Ellis Island though would go through that route to become citizens, instead they are just straight up told there's no room for them.
    Sorry you don't see the difference.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    So we have no Americans or legal aliens that can do this? Really?
    Immigrant aliens have been allowed to serve in our nation's military for quite some time. This is nothing new.

    Relevant pages from Department of Homeland Security website:

    Citizenship for Military Personnel & Family Members | USCIS

    Chapter 3, Part I, Volume 12 - Military Service during Hostilities (INA 329) | Policy Manual | USCIS

    Also, chapters 322, 328 and 329 of U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act (as revised, 2013) that apply.

    I'm not saying this couldn't be problematic as we've already seen with at least one Muslin spy in our midst and one mass shooting on Ft. Hood Army base from a Army office with ties to Muslim extremism. I am saying, however, this path to U.S. citizenship for foreign born personnel who honorable serve on active duty in our military is nothing new especially during war time or during global hostilities. If they're willing to risk taking a bullet in defense of our country swearing allegiance to same, why would we not grant them citizenship for honorable time served?
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    I think we should just give a blanket amnesty to the Mexican Army and the drug cartels..........allow them to come in with their weapons.........then send them to Iraq to fight ISIS..........the drug cartels might be the only group to strike fear in the ISIS fighters..........after a year of fighting they can come back and get citizenship.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    The government uses so many independent contractors in support of the military, why can't these people be in that category rather than being members of the Armed Forces?
    Because being in the military, serving in defense of "your" country, knowing you may pay the ultimate price with your life during war time IS the biggest risk anyone can take especially for another country you have no binding jurisdictional ties to. There are so many people out there in America who claim to be patriotic but have never worn the uniform of our Armed Services, never made the sacrifice of time, energy, or possibly their very lives in defense of this great nation. And yet they claim patriotism for merely being born here.

    Every veteran on this forum understands the risk they took in serving as part of our nation's armed national defense force. I say if a person, male or female, is willing to risk his/her life wearing the uniform of the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines or Coast Guard, swear allegiance to a foreign country and serve with honor and distinction during war or national crisis/global hostilities, they deserve to become a U.S. citizen.

    Quote Originally Posted by northwinds View Post
    I think we should just give a blanket amnesty to the Mexican Army and the drug cartels..........allow them to come in with their weapons.........then send them to Iraq to fight ISIS..........the drug cartels might be the only group to strike fear in the ISIS fighters..........after a year of fighting they can come back and get citizenship.
    You're just being foolish.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Because being in the military, serving in defense of "your" country, knowing you may pay the ultimate price with your life during war time IS the biggest risk anyone can take especially for another country you have no binding jurisdictional ties to. There are so many people out there in America who claim to be patriotic but have never worn the uniform of our Armed Services, never made the sacrifice of time, energy, or possibly their very lives in defense of this great nation. And yet they claim patriotism for merely being born here.

    Every veteran on this forum understands the risk they took in serving as part of our nation's armed national defense force. I say if a person, male or female, is willing to risk his/her life wearing the uniform of the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines or Coast Guard, swear allegiance to a foreign country and serve with honor and distinction during war or national crisis/global hostilities, they deserve to become a U.S. citizen.



    You're just being foolish.
    You didn't answer my question about why these folks can't be independent contractors instead of being in the military.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I actually would consider an undocumented immigrant that serves more of an American than most Americans.
    Including you right,

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe we should ask for some legal immigrants to see if they can do the job and earn citizenship. There's more than one way to look at things. You're caught in the trap of believing the premise that illegals deserve any consideration at all, or should be the first considered.
    Well, military service has been an avenue to citizenship in the US for decades. Further, this is being extended to people who grew up here, went to our schools and are already a part of American society. Personally, I think this the best way for them to get the only thing that makes them different from any other kid raised in the US and lucky enough to be born to US citizens....citizenship.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    Including you right,
    Sure, there's no doubt there's a lot of immigrants that would do anything to be an American. I served but being an American is still something I take for granted. I was born here so I'm an American. Those folks are willing to serve in order for a chance to be an American. Shows they REALLY want to be here.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You didn't answer my question about why these folks can't be independent contractors instead of being in the military.
    I wasn't aware that you asked me such a question, but I'll take it on.

    To me it's not the same thing as putting your life on the life in defense of a country you really don't have an allegiance to, but believe in that country's strength, values, traditions and overall way of life and wish to adopt it as your own. As such, I don't see being an independent contractor in the same light. You may volunteer to go "over there" and your life could possibly be in peril, but your incentive is the potential financial gains, not loyalty to your would-be adopted country.
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