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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

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    So we have no Americans or legal aliens that can do this? Really?
    It's a way for people to earn citizenship while serving our country. That's a good thing. Far better than de facto amnesty, imho.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

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    It's a way for people to earn citizenship while serving our country. That's a good thing. Far better than de facto amnesty, imho.
    Maybe we should ask for some legal immigrants to see if they can do the job and earn citizenship. There's more than one way to look at things. You're caught in the trap of believing the premise that illegals deserve any consideration at all, or should be the first considered.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You'd give him citizenship no questions asked.
    Probably, it's not as if American born citizens go through a rigorous citizenship process. There's a possibility that terrorist groups may try to use the military for citizenship but it's not as if there's no steps to join the military and there are lot easier ways to get into the country.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe we should ask for some legal immigrants to see if they can do the job and earn citizenship. There's more than one way to look at things. You're caught in the trap of believing the premise that illegals deserve any consideration at all, or should be the first considered.
    Green card holders have always been eligible to join.
    The MAVNI program was started in 2008 for legal immigrants who did not have a green card.
    Now the MAVNI program is opened to not just legal non-green holders, but illegals as well.

    So what you're suggesting should be done is already being done.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    So much I could say about that. But really it just makes me sad to know there are "americans" that feel that way.
    Most Americans reap the benefits of being born here but wouldn't know the definition of sacrifice. They'd talk a big game as long as they weren't asked to deal with hardship. My Grandmother was alive during the depression and during WWII dealt with rationed items, collected old aluminum and other stuff for the war effort, and had her victory garden so that more food supplies could go to the troops. When was the last time Americans were asked to sacrifice in any way for our security? For a large segment of the population a 10 year war in Iraq had absolutely no consequence for their life. I'm not saying everyone should serve, but ****...trillions in debt added because rather than pay more in taxes to back the war Americans opted for their little tax cut.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Most Americans reap the benefits of being born here but wouldn't know the definition of sacrifice. They'd talk a big game as long as they weren't asked to deal with hardship. My Grandmother was alive during the depression and during WWII dealt with rationed items, collected old aluminum and other stuff for the war effort, and had her victory garden so that more food supplies could go to the troops. When was the last time Americans were asked to sacrifice in any way for our security? For a large segment of the population a 10 year war in Iraq had absolutely no consequence for their life. I'm not saying everyone should serve, but ****...trillions in debt added because rather than pay more in taxes to back the war Americans opted for their little tax cut.
    Then you know. My parents, were born right before the depression, father quit high school to enlist in the Navy, served in the south pacific, then spent 20 years serving his city. Both my parents parents lost everything in the crash. So I know plenty about sacrifice through them as well as personal sacrifice.
    So what? We are talking about today. We are talking about people that are coming in the back door then demanding rights. Not people like my grand parents that came off a boat with nothing.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Then you know. My parents, were born right before the depression, father quit high school to enlist in the Navy, served in the south pacific, then spent 20 years serving his city. Both my parents parents lost everything in the crash. So I know plenty about sacrifice through them as well as personal sacrifice.
    So what? We are talking about today. We are talking about people that are coming in the back door then demanding rights. Not people like my grand parents that came off a boat with nothing.
    These people have nothing and are coming to the US to improve their lives and are only asking for the same rights your grandparents received. The US immigration policy when your grandparents came over made it VERY easy for someone of European descent to gain citizenship. They benefited from their access to this country, why on earth would you deny someone willing to enlist in the armed forces for getting the same benefits as your grandparents? Why are they different? The same things you're saying now was leveled at people like your grandparents when European immigrants from Italy, Ireland, Eastern Europe were coming over.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    We are talking about people that are coming in the back door then demanding rights.
    I'm not talking about people like that. I'm talking about the MAVNI program which has opened up to illegal aliens with necessary skills. They didn't demand this, and very few will qualify. And we're talking about people who were brought here by their parents in the back door...not those intentionally coming here.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    I'm not talking about people like that. I'm talking about the MAVNI program which has opened up to illegal aliens with necessary skills. They didn't demand this, and very few will qualify. And we're talking about people who were brought here by their parents in the back door...not those intentionally coming here.
    Then they can apply for citizenship. Like anyone.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    These people have nothing and are coming to the US to improve their lives and are only asking for the same rights your grandparents received. The US immigration policy when your grandparents came over made it VERY easy for someone of European descent to gain citizenship. They benefited from their access to this country, why on earth would you deny someone willing to enlist in the armed forces for getting the same benefits as your grandparents? Why are they different? The same things you're saying now was leveled at people like your grandparents when European immigrants from Italy, Ireland, Eastern Europe were coming over.
    My grand parents worked for it, they didn't demand it. And no it wasn't. Every read about early 1900s immigrants and what hoops they were made to jump through. Hell, the even spelled my fathers name wrong and told my grand parents "too bad" its the American spelling now.

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