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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    First, Cubans are not illegal immigrants. IF they make land, they're allowed to stay and pursue residency.
    And oddly, I can't find anything in the Army regs that would prohibit enlistment solely on minor traffic offenses.


    illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and the military has no problem with a small number of misdemeanors (I believe 3 or fewer is no issue)
    Air Force and this was in 1984. Cubans were illegal immigrants until they let them out of the over pass tent cities down here.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's the other rub, these illegals have already broken the law.
    And I am sure they will be model citizens once sworn in. Just like the gang members have been.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by pinqy View Post
    Not enough, and not enough willing to serve. The main thing is that the MOS that is being recruited for, 09L, requires native speakers. So that rules out training non-native speakers. So we would need a pool of native speakers, willing to serve, and willing to serve in this one MOS.

    Or you really need the language skills and targeting people for whom this would be their only option to become citizens helps you a lot more and is cheaper than trying to recruit native speakers.


    You'd have a point IF the Americans being kicked out were fluent native speakers of Mandarin, Farsi, Arabic, or Pashto.

    They do. But an enlisted soldier costs a lot less than the amount you have to pay a contractor. In Afghanistan, our native speaker U.S. citizen contracters were getting paid in the $200,000 range.


    Again, I'm willing to bet none of those 10,000 speak Chinese, Farsi, Arabic, or Pasto.
    Why do they have to be native speakers?
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    It's not unheard of to have non-citizens serving in the military. When I was in the Navy, most of the AKs (Aviation Storekeepers) and MSs (Mess Specialists i.e. cooks) were non-citizen Phillipinos. They dominated those ratings because they were among the few jobs non-citizens were allowed to have. Now that I've looked it up, it turns out there are almost 40 NECs that non-citizens are qualified for:

    Navy Jobs Available to Non-U.S. Citizens

    If done right, this probably won't be a bad thing.

    But it really irks me that government is focused on immigration to help pad the elections when there are much more important reforms that need to be done.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, more accurately, it was likely their parents who did. And if they're willing to serve the country as a member of the armed forces, good for them. I can't see anything in this proposal to object to, absent a reflexive desire to condemn "illegals."
    Yup I condemn illegals. As the offspring of legal immigrants I have little sympathy for those to break their way in.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    It's not unheard of to have non-citizens serving in the military. When I was in the Navy, most of the AKs (Aviation Storekeepers) and MSs (Mess Specialists i.e. cooks) were non-citizen Phillipinos. They dominated those ratings because they were among the few jobs non-citizens were allowed to have. Now that I've looked it up, it turns out there are almost 40 NECs that non-citizens are qualified for:

    Navy Jobs Available to Non-U.S. Citizens

    If done right, this probably won't be a bad thing.

    But it really irks me that government is focused on immigration to help pad the elections when there are much more important reforms that need to be done.
    Bingo!!!
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    And I am sure they will be model citizens once sworn in. Just like the gang members have been.
    Yes, because clearly all "illegals" have the same character as gang members, so attributing sweeping and negative stereotypes to people who might qualify for this program who have agreed to serve the country is entirely appropriate.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Why do they have to be native speakers?
    Technically, it's not required, but fluency at the native level is. 09Limas do not receive language training, except in English if needed.

    The point of the job is to directly translate between the target language and English. Non-native speakers are not as good at it and those that are are few and far between.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    I think it's a great idea. In fact I think it should be path to automatic citizenship. Serving in the military is no small thing and is something most Americans are not willing to do. Let them serve and give them citizenship as soon as they complete their enlistment.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
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    So we have no Americans or legal aliens that can do this? Really?
    Y'know, I have a thought here.

    CBP has a shortage. Maybe we should just put them all on the Border Patrol!

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