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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    So we have no Americans or legal aliens that can do this? Really?
    Another bad idea that Obama has stolen from the French.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Which means the Pentagon is preparing another ground war and they need some Cannon fodder .

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Well to be clear the program is only open to undocumented immigrants who came with their parents to the US before they were 16.
    My background checks involved interviews with people that knew me when I was 12. I had to submit a package that went back from birth to current, including elementary school class pictures. Granted...my clearances are TSSCI level and beyond...still...

    and frankly...if people knew what level of clearance investigations are going on in just the child care provider realm right now for the Army it would blow their mind. Its an overreaction...but still pretty crazy. There is no such thing as a sealed juvenile record for some of these checks.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Maybe if you cared less about getting Democrat votes, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
    This isn't about currying votes one way or another for me. I don't view this issue in that context although I can certainly see how many may come away with that perspective. For me, it's about staying true to our values while also adhering to our laws. Therefore, if we value national defense, risk, commitment and personal sacrifice, and we say we are a nation of laws how then can we ignore applying this section of our immigration law (329) to those who fit the eligibility criteria?

    Again, I say to you if you don't like it stop trying to convince me to adopt your point of view start writing your Congressman to change the law.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Another bad idea that Obama has stolen from the French.
    Really?

    The ignorance that permeates this thread is just too thick to stomach.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What law gives illegal aliens citizenship?
    We've already been over this. No law grants any foreign born national U.S citizenship. You have to do something to earn it. Thus, for the last time READ INA LAW and at least try to understand what the program as summarized in the OP is about before flying off the handle over ideological BS.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    We've already been over this. No law grants any foreign born national U.S citizenship. You have to do something to earn it. Thus, for the last time READ INA LAW and at least try to understand what the program as summarized in the OP is about before flying off the handle over ideological BS.
    The way I read it, you have to be a legal resident first, then if you serve they give you citizenship.
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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    My team has used MAVNIs a couple times in the past on a few trips to Asia. One worked out great the guy was a former Lt Col in his native country's army and knew how to get things done in a very inefficient country. The other moved to the US as a little kid and was not very useful at all. He could score high on his language proficiency test but for what ever reason just could not get across the concepts we were teaching. One of the soldiers we were training spoke English very well and we ended up using him as a terp instead of our MAVNI. So I guess it just depends on who they let in the program as to how much I support it.

    On a side not did anyone else notice their is no V in the words used to make up the acronym MAVNI. Our good MAVNI told us it stood for Military Accessions Vital to the National Interest. That was a few years ago though so who knows.

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    Re: Military to allow undocumented immigrants to serve

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The way I read it, you have to be a legal resident first, then if you serve they give you citizenship.
    Then I suggest you go back and re-read my post #78, specifically those areas in BOLD black and red.
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