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Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

JasperL said:
I posted this earlier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUUO_VFYMs

Note that the police officer never hit the siren, and since the 'stop' was for a safety belt infraction, committed while moving his car about 30 yards in a parking lot, no reason for the guy to assume he's being pulled over until he's spoken to already outside his vehicle.
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Yeah. The cop was just plain wrong all the way around.
 
APACHERAT said:
Short term memory lost ?

Don't you remember back in 2009 or was it 2010 that there were some pantie waist types proposing a medal for our soldiers for not shooting the enemy ?

And you don't want to go there about Obama's "strict rules of engagement" that he forced upon our troops in Afghanistan that favors the enemy and caused our troops to bleed and die, do you ?
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I wasn't paying attention to the news in 2009 or 2010, so no, sir, I do not remember. I have read about it, but I don't remember it when it happened because I was unaware of it entirely. Nevertheless, I don't agree with the rules of engagement put on our troops because it has caused deaths and severe injuries. At any rate, I don't agree with our troops going all Rambo on anyone they encounter in foreign lands either. There is an appropriate level of force to be used, too much and and it's bad and too little and it's also bad, it has to be just right, which is relatively easy to accomplish. You tracking, brother?
 
APACHERAT said:
-- So I'm going by what I assume everyone else watched.

This is why I'm questioning why was this guy outside of his car ?
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You really asked yourself that question? :doh

You ever been to a gas station and tried paying your bill or ordering gas from your driver's seat?

The longer video link has been posted - maybe it would clear things up for you if you broke the video down into 10 second chunks and you can point out the bit where the civilian does anything threatening.
 
JasperL said:
I posted this earlier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUUO_VFYMs

Note that the police officer never hit the siren, and since the 'stop' was for a safety belt infraction, committed while moving his car about 30 yards in a parking lot, no reason for the guy to assume he's being pulled over until he's spoken to already outside his vehicle.

Actually, just watched it again, and it's not clear the car that was originally in front of the police car is the same one pulled over. At any rate, the guy didn't hit the siren. No reason for the driver to assume he was being stopped.
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I watched the video you provided a link to and on my end from 11 seconds to 33 seconds into the video there is no volume, it's been muted. But you make the claim that the officer "didn't hit the siren." Maybe it's on my end that the volume is muted for 22 seconds ?

From my observation, there's only a fraction of a second that the officer didn't remove his service pistol until the victim as fast as a rattler strikes turned around and appeared to be retrieving something from the cab of his truck. Was he going for his license, a cocked and ready pistol or to detonate a bomb ?

A law enforcement officer has to make a decision in a fraction of a second and as you can see, it all happened from the time the victim quickly turned around until the first shot was fired you're looking at ONE SECOND.

Some of you cop haters act like a liberal JAG lawyer who seconded guess every Marine and soldier who pulls the trigger on his weapon when they are being shot at in Afghanistan with Obama's "strict PC ROE." :lamo
 
APACHERAT said:
I watched the video you provided a link to and on my end from 11 seconds to 33 seconds into the video there is no volume, it's been muted. But you make the claim that the officer "didn't hit the siren." Maybe it's on my end that the volume is muted for 22 seconds ?

From my observation, there's only a fraction of a second that the officer didn't remove his service pistol until the victim as fast as a rattler strikes turned around and appeared to be retrieving something from the cab of his truck. Was he going for his license, a cocked and ready pistol or to detonate a bomb ?

A law enforcement officer has to make a decision in a fraction of a second and as you can see, it all happened from the time the victim quickly turned around until the first shot was fired you're looking at ONE SECOND.

Some of you cop haters act like a liberal JAG lawyer who seconded guess every Marine and soldier who pulls the trigger on his weapon when they are being shot at in Afghanistan with Obama's "strict PC ROE." :lamo
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That's a good line about the rattler. You should recommend that to the officer's defense team! And the bomb thing - also nice touch!

Seriously, you've already said it was a bad shooting and it clearly is. He checked his pockets, and then turned into the car after being asked for ID.

I get how the cop could have and maybe should have been alarmed by the move. Got it. No kidding. But the standard just isn't, "Shoot twice, shoot again and then again with the guy's hands in the air, and THEN ask questions."
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You really asked yourself that question? :doh

You ever been to a gas station and tried paying your bill or ordering gas from your driver's seat?
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Oh yes, I remember the good old days when you pulled into a service station and there were three station attendants pumping the gas, checking your oil, checking your tire preasure and cleaning your windshield and you never had to get out of your car.

If you don't remember either you're suffering from dementia or you're to inexperiance in life, just not old enough to have experiance what America use to be like. It was back when a cop could pull over someone without fearing being shot.
 
JasperL said:
That's a good line about the rattler. You should recommend that to the officer's defense team! And the bomb thing - also nice touch!

Seriously, you've already said it was a bad shooting and it clearly is. He checked his pockets, and then turned into the car after being asked for ID.

I get how the cop could have and maybe should have been alarmed by the move. Got it. No kidding. But the standard just isn't, "Shoot twice, shoot again and then again with the guy's hands in the air, and THEN ask questions."
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You ever been in a fire fight and the word comes down, "cease fire " It takes seconds to react.

Most law enforcement officers are trained that once you fire the first round, you keep shooting until the suspect is down and no longer a threat.
 
APACHERAT said:
You ever been in a fire fight and the word comes down, "cease fire " It takes seconds to react.

Most law enforcement officers are trained that once you fire the first round, you keep shooting until the suspect is down and no longer a threat.
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I don't know what you're arguing. If it's that the police officer was correct, I VEHEMENTLY disagree.

In this case, of course, the suspect was NEVER a threat.

Bottom line is the guy is correctly, and I hope permanently, out of law enforcement in any capacity where he's allowed to carry a deadly weapon, with bullets in the mag. It appears he messed up the whole encounter, then panicked, and shot an innocent guy. He's probably a decent guy, or I have no reason to think otherwise. I just don't think he's shown he is competent at this particular job.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Guess you missed the part were he was given the medal of valor from his department a year ago.
Bet if you had been shot at before, you would be alittle jumpy too.
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@_@

Did you see the video? If that's all we know....there is NO excuse for it. None. He's lucky the man survived.
 
Jerry said:
I have to wonder why the guy got out of his SUV in the first place, why he didn't empty his hands (was he driving with all that **** in his lap?), and why he rushed back into his SUV for his license (it's not in his pocket? wtf?). Is he just stupid?
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It looked like he was getting out to pump gas.

I never have my wallet or purse out with me when I pump gas. I take ONLY my debit card and keys out with me. The rest is locked in the car with only the driver's side door unlocked (& I've occasionally locked that too). Because it's too easy to commit crimes at gas pumps.
 
Jerry said:
So yeah, I'm just kinda wondering what this guy was thinking. Are gun owners the only people who put any thought into how to behave during a police stop?
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I watched it too. It looked like the guy was respectful. The cop asked for ID and the guy complied immediately. I saw no overt signs for alarm or deception at all when I viewed it.

Are cops so unused to compliance that they are suspicious of that too? Reacting when people actually do as they ask?
 
Lursa said:
I watched it too. It looked like the guy was respectful. The cop asked for ID and the guy complied immediately. I saw no overt signs for alarm or deception at all when I viewed it.

Are cops so unused to compliance that they are suspicious of that too? Reacting when people actually do as they ask?
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Just so we are clear, asking something of others means there is a choice, while ordering them to do something means there is not.

Sorry, cops don't 'ask' people do things, they order people to do things.
 
Napoleon said:
The general public needs to learn to exercise common sense when interacting with the police. Don't dart into a vehicle and grope for objects the officer cannot see because they are likely to assume to the worst. Do what the officer tells you, but do it in a smart way.
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He complied exactly with the officer's order. He didnt dive. He just didnt hesitate before complying....something cops complain about when they dont get.

Now they cant handle *compliance?* Jeebus.

People are surprised and often nervous when stopped by cops. Cops KNOW this. People react in all sorts of ways...babbling, shaking, over-reacting, fumbling, apologizing, etc etc. They see it every day.
 
Henrin said:
Just so we are clear, asking something of others means there is a choice, while ordering them to do something means there is not.

Sorry, cops don't 'ask' people do things, they order people to do things.
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And your point is? I already wrote that elsewhere.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
You really asked yourself that question? :doh

You ever been to a gas station and tried paying your bill or ordering gas from your driver's seat?
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Some states don't allow you to pump your own gas. Apparently they think people will blow themselves up. :lamo
 
Lursa said:
People are surprised and often nervous when stopped by cops. Cops KNOW this. People react in all sorts of ways...babbling, shaking, over-reacting, fumbling, apologizing, etc etc. They see it every day.
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That's because cops have the authority to rob every single person they come into contact with of their freedom or violate their person like no other person in society. Government like police are the exception to everything moral and good.
 
Another itchy trigger fingered white cop shooting another un-armed black man who had his hands up in surrender? ...
20 years will not be long enough.
 
Lursa said:
And your point is? I already wrote that elsewhere.
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You didn't say it there though. The police officer didn't ask the man for anything, but demanded he do what he was told or else.
 
Henrin said:
That's because cops have the authority to rob every single person they come into contact with of their freedom or violate their person like no other person in society. Government like police are the exception to everything moral and good.
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*yawn*

Tell it to someone who cares.
 
Lursa said:
It looked like he was getting out to pump gas.

I never have my wallet or purse out with me when I pump gas. I take ONLY my debit card and keys out with me. The rest is locked in the car with only the driver's side door unlocked (& I've occasionally locked that too). Because it's too easy to commit crimes at gas pumps.
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I hope you bring your gun, too. Those gas pumps are scary. It's like actually being in the real world where you might have to interact with people.
 
JasperL said:
I don't know what you're arguing. If it's that the police officer was correct, I VEHEMENTLY disagree.

In this case, of course, the suspect was NEVER a threat.

Bottom line is the guy is correctly, and I hope permanently, out of law enforcement in any capacity where he's allowed to carry a deadly weapon, with bullets in the mag. It appears he messed up the whole encounter, then panicked, and shot an innocent guy. He's probably a decent guy, or I have no reason to think otherwise. I just don't think he's shown he is competent at this particular job.
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Can you imagine the conversation in this thread if there wasn't a video?

Oh. That's right. It wouldn't be news because 'cop shoots resisting black man' isn't anything special. And they all claim they were not resisting or doing anything.
 
Threegoofs said:
Can you imagine the conversation in this thread if there wasn't a video?

Oh. That's right. It wouldn't be news because 'cop shoots resisting black man' isn't anything special. And they all claim they were not resisting or doing anything.
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If there wasn't a video the cop would have killed him to make sure there wasn't another side of the story.
 
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