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Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

Ikari said:
But no one is concerned with throwing other undesirables into places they know will get them killed. So why should these criminals be treated any differently?
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Being a cop in jail is adding to the sentence. Usually they have to be kept in protective isolation for much of their sentence. Like I said, he didn't kill the guy.
But if it will make you happy to have him go through hell for the next 20 years. Protest for that at sentencing.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Being a cop in jail is adding to the sentence. Usually they have to be kept in protective isolation for much of their sentence. Like I said, he didn't kill the guy.
But if it will make you happy to have him go through hell for the next 20 years. Protest for that at sentencing.
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Being a child molester in jail is adding to the sentence. They don't always kill the kids either. And yet how many of y'all are super happy to throw them into gen pop? Maybe you've even argued this yourself. So why that criminal and not the other criminal?

Making people go through hell....I mean, have you ever read your own arguments on prison population, death penalty, etc.? It's all in line.
 
herenow1 said:
Sometimes my hubby will show me videos of his stops. Last week when he pulled a guy over,-the man got out of his car and approached my husband to talk. To me, I would have gotten nervous( but I wouldn't have shot). My husband handled it quite well and didn't see the need to shoot bc he was jumpy or scared. Can we at least come to the conclusion that there are good and bad cops everywhere? And it doesn't make you a cop hater if you point out one of their wrongs. Just bc the guy got out of the car doesn't mean he was guilty of anything or deserved to be shot at.
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Just because I ask questions doesn't mean I'm trying to justify bad behavior. I ask questions for a living, it's what I do.

If I didn't ask, I wouldn't have found out that the guy got out of his truck....to go into a store. He didn't even know a cop wanted to pull him over when he got out of his truck.

Knowing why he got out of his truck helps me understand the cop's state of mind, which helps me understand why the cop fired. If the guy got out of his truck because there was an argument already underway when the video clip started, that's a while different picture. But, he was just going into a store, and that's important to know.
 
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Ikari said:
Being a child molester in jail is adding to the sentence. They don't always kill the kids either. And yet how many of y'all are super happy to throw them into gen pop? Maybe you've even argued this yourself. So why that criminal and not the other criminal?

Making people go through hell....I mean, have you ever read your own arguments on prison population, death penalty, etc.? It's all in line.
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Most cops spend the majority of their time as police officers doing the right thing. Child molesters do not, and they usually don't have just one victim. So what happens to them. I don't care.
You want a cop who makes one f up to pay with his life.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Being a cop in jail is adding to the sentence. Usually they have to be kept in protective isolation for much of their sentence. Like I said, he didn't kill the guy.
But if it will make you happy to have him go through hell for the next 20 years. Protest for that at sentencing.
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At least 2 counts of attempted murder, he should be facing the death penalty.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Most cops spend the majority of their time as police officers doing the right thing. Child molesters do not, and they usually don't have just one victim. So what happens to them. I don't care.
You want a cop who makes one f up to pay with his life.
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What if someone just gets caught in Dateline's To Catch A Predator, but did nothing prior and probably wouldn't have done anything currently if not for the purposeful entrapment? Do they get your leniency too? Or is it just cops. Based on the FALSE assumption, BTW, that the time they spent as cops they spent doing the right thing. But you don't know that, and a corrupt cop being corrupt is not really a trustworthy character to assess that on.

It's just that perchance, some consistency in your calls for punishment may strengthen your arguments.
 
Ikari said:
What if someone just gets caught in Dateline's To Catch A Predator, but did nothing prior and probably wouldn't have done anything currently if not for the purposeful entrapment? Do they get your leniency too? Or is it just cops. Based on the FALSE assumption, BTW, that the time they spent as cops they spent doing the right thing. But you don't know that, and a corrupt cop being corrupt is not really a trustworthy character to assess that on.

It's just that perchance, some consistency in your calls for punishment may strengthen your arguments.
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Not going to "what if" this to death.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Not going to "what if" this to death.
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Yes you will. You "what if" the cop, essentially, with the assumption that they've done nothing else wrong. What if the cop didn't do anything else, do you want to punish him for one mess up. What if the child molester didn't molest anyone else, do you want to punish him for one mess up?

You already did it, you're just trying to define your terms to account for the inconsistency in your call for government force. A cop shooting someone, let's treat them special. A citizen shooting someone, f'd in the a.

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CRUE CAB said:
He only shot one man.
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He fired 4 times. A double-tap which is this initial aggravated battery, then the guy put his hands up and the cop shot again, a pause, and then again. That's one count attempted murder for the 3rd shot and one count attempted murder for the 4th shot.

Then the cop cuffed the guy, so that's one count false imprisonment.

And don't forget all the firearm-enhancements to sentencing for using a firearm in the commission of those felonies.
 
Ikari said:
Yes you will. You "what if" the cop, essentially, with the assumption that they've done nothing else wrong. What if the cop didn't do anything else, do you want to punish him for one mess up. What if the child molester didn't molest anyone else, do you want to punish him for one mess up?

You already did it, you're just trying to define your terms to account for the inconsistency in your call for government force. A cop shooting someone, let's treat them special. A citizen shooting someone, f'd in the a.

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I did not. I rarely "what if" because you can what if things forever.
 
Jerry said:
He fired 4 times. A double-tap which is this initial aggravated battery, then the guy put his hands up and the cop shot again, a pause, and then again. That's one count attempted murder for the 3rd shot and one count attempted murder for the 4th shot.

Then the cop cuffed the guy, so that's one count false imprisonment.

And don't forget all the firearm-enhancements to sentencing for using a firearm in the commission of those felonies.
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Bet be pleads PTSD from the earlier gun fight and will get little to no prison.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I did not. I rarely "what if" because you can what if things forever.
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You just incorporated it into another structure. The reason you said they should be treated special is because they "do good", but that's the what if. You just folded it into an incorrect assumption.

Justice is blind, or rather it is meant to be. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
 
Jango said:
Dude... they're not employed to kill people, that's the military, and even then, there are strict rules of engagement. Police going willy nilly on American civilians should be condemned harshly and often. Imagine if that was a 16 year old white girl getting lit the **** up. Would you still be defending the police officer?
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Short term memory lost ?

Don't you remember back in 2009 or was it 2010 that there were some pantie waist types proposing a medal for our soldiers for not shooting the enemy ?

And you don't want to go there about Obama's "strict rules of engagement" that he forced upon our troops in Afghanistan that favors the enemy and caused our troops to bleed and die, do you ?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Guess you missed the part were he was given the medal of valor from his department a year ago.
Bet if you had been shot at before, you would be alittle jumpy too.
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So him being no longer save to fulfill his duty should risk someone else's life? No justification for shooting an unarmed man. I could maybe with difficulty understand shot 1 but the rest is simply indefensible and illegal.
 
Jerry said:
Just because I ask questions doesn't mean I'm trying to justify bad behavior. I ask questions for a living, it's what I do.

If I didn't ask, I wouldn't have found out that the guy got out of his truck....to go into a store. He didn't even know a cop wanted to pull him over when he got out of his truck.

Knowing why he got out of his truck helps me understand the cop's state of mind, which helps me understand why the cop fired. If the guy got out of his truck because there was an argument already underway when the video clip started, that's a while different picture. But, he was just going into a store, and that's important to know.
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When you're being pulled over by law enforcement the "international sign" that you're not going to shoot a cop is to sit in the driver seat with both hands on the steering wheel.

This has been the SOP for over five decades now and there's always someone who didn't get the message.
 
APACHERAT said:
When you're being pulled over by law enforcement the "international sign" that you're not going to shoot a cop is to sit in the driver seat with both hands on the steering wheel.

This has been the SOP for over five decades now and there's always someone who didn't get the message.
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Yes, but cops should not be allowed to just be able to shoot people because whatever. They are under rules, regulations, guidelines, and laws the same as everyone else and reckless endangerment and attempted murder are the same thing regardless of whether or not you wear the badge.
 
Ikari said:
Yes, but cops should not be allowed to just be able to shoot people because whatever. They are under rules, regulations, guidelines, and laws the same as everyone else and reckless endangerment and attempted murder are the same thing regardless of whether or not you wear the badge.
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Care to post those "rules, regulations, guidelines, and laws."

If the officer just like any civilian, including you Ikari was in fear of his life, he or she has the right to use deadly force.

How many law enforcement officers do you think have been gun down when just pulling over a car for a minor infraction like a burned out tail light ?
 
APACHERAT said:
Care to post those "rules, regulations, guidelines, and laws."

If the officer just like any civilian, including you Ikari was in fear of his life, he or she has the right to use deadly force.

How many law enforcement officers do you think have been gun down when just pulling over a car for a minor infraction like a burned out tail light ?
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That is not cause to shoot unarmed, innocent civilians. The fact that you would excuse government shootings of innocents is a bit off. The government needs to be under additional constraints since it wields the power and sovereignty of the People. Any abuse or misuse of that must be punished swiftly and severely.The government cannot be allowed to execute innocent civilians just because they were feeling "jumpy" that day. This ain't supposed to be commie China.
 
americanwoman said:
So much for the people who say to just do what the cop tells you to do and there won't be a problem.
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It was a super bad shooting, but for myself I'd still tell the cop, "the license is in the glove compartment." I've read too many times that just reaching for your glove compartment makes cops kinda jumpy.
 
APACHERAT said:
When you're being pulled over by law enforcement the "international sign" that you're not going to shoot a cop is to sit in the driver seat with both hands on the steering wheel.

This has been the SOP for over five decades now and there's always someone who didn't get the message.
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Apache, the cop rolled up on this guy without sirens as the guy was getting out of his car to go into the gas station, so he was not in the position to be sitting in the driver seat. Then the first thing the cop then said was to see his license so he reached back in to get it when the cop fired. There are no excuses.
 
americanwoman said:
Apache, the cop rolled up on this guy without sirens as the guy was getting out of his car to go into the gas station, so he was not in the position to be sitting in the driver seat. Then the first thing the cop then said was to see his license so he reached back in to get it when the cop fired. There are no excuses.
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You must have seen a different video. The one I watched four times was just a little under a minute long and the victim was already out of his vehicle when the video starts. So I'm going by what I assume everyone else watched.

This is why I'm questioning why was this guy outside of his car ?

The video doesn't show when the officer drew is service pistol from his holster. I have to assume as soon as the victim without telling the officer that his license was inside the car but quickly and I mean quickly enter into his car going for something.

If there's another video showing when the officer pulled over the car and when the victim exited his car, please post a link.

Was it a bad shooting ? Yes.

Did the officer violate his departments shooting policies ? I have no idea because every law enforcement agency has different policies.

Is the DA just appeasing the black community by filing charges so quickly so Al Sharpton will stay in Washington so he can help Obama pick the new Attorney General ? Probably.
 
APACHERAT said:
If there's another video showing when the officer pulled over the car and when the victim exited his car, please post a link.
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I posted this earlier:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUUO_VFYMs

Note that the police officer never hit the siren, and since the 'stop' was for a safety belt infraction, committed while moving his car about 30 yards in a parking lot, no reason for the guy to assume he's being pulled over until he's spoken to already outside his vehicle.

Actually, just watched it again, and it's not clear the car that was originally in front of the police car is the same one pulled over. At any rate, the guy didn't hit the siren. No reason for the driver to assume he was being stopped.
 
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