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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I have to wonder why the guy got out of his SUV in the first place, why he didn't empty his hands (was he driving with all that **** in his lap?), and why he rushed back into his SUV for his license (it's not in his pocket? wtf?). Is he just stupid?
    If he reached into his pocket, he would have been shot too. I have a friend who takes his wallet out and set them on dashboard so the cops can see. I usually rummage through my purse for my IDs in front of cops. I never thought they would think that I am going for a gun and possibly kill me, but I am also not a scary black man. He said his dad said "make sure the cops can see your hands all the time." This poor fellow didn't do that, but he was also getting his ID like the cop asked.

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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    We don't know why he got out of the car. Maybe he thought it would have been safer and less threatening to show the cop his entire body...

    But if he sat in his car and reached for his glove box or opened a counsel, the cop would have obviously shot him too.

    He was able to physically retreat from the cop when he opened fire. If he got shot inside the car, he would have probably been hit more times. We just don't know. Maybe he'll give an interview some day and explain why he got out of the car.


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    Sometimes I don't even have pockets. I have jogging shorts with no pockets. Wallet sits either in the center console, or in the glove box.


    Of course, I've also never gotten out of my car when a cop stops, either.

    Never the less. You can't tell a guy to do something....and then he does what you told him to do....and then get all upset because he was doing what you told him to do.

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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    He would have been comfortable if he pulled the guy over and then forced him to lay on the ground with with arms spread, so he could interrogate him about his seatbelt violation.
    No, he would have been "more comfortable" had the subject stayed in his vehicle. But, over all, I am not defending the trooper here, he obviously over reacted IMHO. For that he may spend 20 years in prison...What more would you like? Death penalty?
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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    We don't know why he got out of the car. Maybe he thought it would have been safer and less threatening to show the cop his entire body...

    But if he sat in his car and reached for his glove box or opened a counsel, the cop would have obviously shot him too.

    He was able to physically retreat from the cop when he opened fire. If he got shot inside the car, he would have probably been hit more times. We just don't know. Maybe he'll give an interview some day and explain why he got out of the car.
    So now you're a mind reader? Bull ****! There is a tactical reason that any LEO will tell the subjects of traffic stops to remain in their vehicle.

    1. So the subject can be observed as the officer approaches the car.
    2. So the Officer can maintain a tactical advantage over the subject in the car.
    3. So the stop can result in a safe, and secure interaction, and the chance for misinterpretation of actions is taken out of the scenario.

    Now, your injecting your obvious bias against LE is not helpful to a rational discussion.
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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Tsk.

    Too bad. Instead of a cop getting 10-20, you would be looking at 20 to life.
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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Definitely appears to be a bad shooting. Cop should at least be fired, and probably charged. From the information we have, it sounds like the officer did not get over what happened in the shooting a year before. He probably should not have been back out.
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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Definitely appears to be a bad shooting. Cop should at least be fired, and probably charged. From the information we have, it sounds like the officer did not get over what happened in the shooting a year before. He probably should not have been back out.
    Just a guess but that's probably what will keep him out of jail and minimize (not remove) the damage in the civil trial (yes, I'm assuming there will be one unless the dept. cuts it off at the pass).
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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Who's letting anything go? From your own OP article:

    "But Groubert, who has since been fired for the incident, has been charged with aggravated assault and battery, a felony that could get him up to 20 years in prison if convicted, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division said Wednesday."

    Did you even read the article before posting, or did you do what most in the media today do and see 'white officer v. black shooting victim' and run with your anti cop argument out of the box?

    Now look, many things in this stop looked to have been wrong. 1. Most LEO's that I know will instruct that in a traffic stop situation that the person being stopped remain in their car, and follow the orders of the LEO from that point. There is a reason for that, here we see why.
    Perhaps you should have investigated the context in which my reply was made. I was responding to CRUE CAB.

    Did you even watch the video and notice that the cop "pulled him over" after the guy was out of his vehicle and about to go into the establishment.

    Please do not whine about race, its very annoying and has no relevance.

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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Just a guess but that's probably what will keep him out of jail and minimize (not remove) the damage in the civil trial (yes, I'm assuming there will be one unless the dept. cuts it off at the pass).
    That's pretty much what I was seeing too. He will definitely be named in any civil suit (which is almost certainly coming, but likely to be settled out of court), but he also will either be asked to resign or simply fired. He likely will have to do some psych eval and possibly some therapy. He could face some charges, but I highly doubt it would result in any major jail time, especially given the level of the damage done. (Unless, it can be shown that there was possibly some racial motivation there, which would be hard to prove.)
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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    If he killed the guy, he would have been able to argue he stood his ground against a perceived threat. We already have an example of a cop shooting an armed black man in Ferguson, and he hasn't been arrested yet.

    This guy had his hands up as soon as the cop started firing, and he was stopped for not wearing a seatbelt. Usually when cops are looking for DUIs or drugs, they stop for minor things like seatbelts or unsteady driving. It's BS. It's happened to me in bad neighborhood before. They asked me why I was out so late and I told them I was university student, driving home to stay at a friends. I think the trooper was profiling him to begin with. That's just how I see cops.

    As everybody on TV keeps repeating, cops need better training and they should all wear cameras.
    Yeah, I'm getting really sick of the defense of "I thought he was a threat", that universal excuse is getting really old and it absolves everyone of any wrongdoing in basically any situation. Its used everywhere, even that damn sprinter with the prosthetic legs used it, Zimmerman, the other recent pellet gun shooting. Its ridiculous and needs to be reworked. I'm somewhat surprised they're actually nailing this guy, maybe it was too far indefensible.

    If he hadn't told him to get his license and registration and the guy had turned around and done that there might not be any charges against the trooper. It probably only rests on that command.

    I agree I want to see cameras on all cops and better training or policies of when its okay to use lethal force. There should be a requirement of a verified lethal threat being imminent and active.

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