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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I am only surprised that no one has called Jones a "thug" yet.
    Well Jones wasn't a thug. If he was the first words out of his mouth after being shot would have been "You shot me because I'm black." instead of asking "Why did you shoot me ? "

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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Once upon a time in America, Americans didn't have to worry about getting shot or worry if they left their front door unlocked when they went on vacation.

    At least I experienced the tail end of that era.

    There are still some enclaves with in America where you can still experience what it was like back then.
    Great.

    But at what point did America become a place where going about your legitimate business mean a police officer might drive silently up to your car, ask for your licence and then shoot at you 4 times for doing what he asked you for?

    Do you support this new America or would you prefer police officers were able to do this with impunity?

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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Great.

    But at what point did America become a place where going about your legitimate business mean a police officer might drive silently up to your car, ask for your licence and then shoot at you 4 times for doing what he asked you for?

    Do you support this new America or would you prefer police officers were able to do this with impunity?
    It began with left wing political correctness, when police recruiting standards were lowered.

    If you look at how many and who with in LE have been fired, convicted, etc, for corruption or unlawful use of force in the past few decades, the majority would have never been hired as law enforcement officers forty years ago.

    The ones yelling the most are the ones who caused it.

    There's also more to it, twenty of thirty years ago when comparing LE in the west to LE in the east
    (Any state that doesn't touch the Mississippi River is the "west") was like comparing apples to oranges. On the east LE was "law enforcement", reactive like (progressive law enforcement) reacting to a crime and that's how libs like it. Most LE were Irish, Italian or Jewish.

    In the west LE was proactive, peace officers keeping the peace. Western LE were mostly WASP.

    Not true in the west today except for some county Sheriffs departments.

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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Great.

    But at what point did America become a place where going about your legitimate business mean a police officer might drive silently up to your car, ask for your licence and then shoot at you 4 times for doing what he asked you for?

    Do you support this new America or would you prefer police officers were able to do this with impunity?
    Don't be silly. This only happens when you are black. And that's been going on for a long long time.
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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    So what are you saying, we should just let this go and...? There has to be some accountability for these things. If he had killed the guy this would be a disgrace, luckily he is so jumpy he missed almost all of his shots and only shot him in the hip.

    We all make mistakes and then have to pay for them, why should police officers be any different? If a surgeon does a fine job on 9 patients then kills the last one from a terrible mistake, do we just let it go? Of course not.

    Like others have said, if he is so rattled by what happened earlier he should have already resigned.
    Who's letting anything go? From your own OP article:

    "But Groubert, who has since been fired for the incident, has been charged with aggravated assault and battery, a felony that could get him up to 20 years in prison if convicted, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division said Wednesday."

    Did you even read the article before posting, or did you do what most in the media today do and see 'white officer v. black shooting victim' and run with your anti cop argument out of the box?

    Now look, many things in this stop looked to have been wrong. 1. Most LEO's that I know will instruct that in a traffic stop situation that the person being stopped remain in their car, and follow the orders of the LEO from that point. There is a reason for that, here we see why.
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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Don't be silly. This only happens when you are black. And that's been going on for a long long time.
    That is pure nonsense.
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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Come on, he totally over reacted. He asked for some id and the guy went for it. Maybe he shouldn't be asking for people to reach for things if it makes him jumpy.
    He would have been comfortable if he pulled the guy over and then forced him to lay on the ground with with arms spread, so he could interrogate him about his seatbelt violation.

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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    It's hysterical that someone says you have to tell the cops you're reaching over to get your lic and registration. I used to have a lead foot and have probably been pulled over at least 8 times. I've never said, ok officer I'm reaching over to my glove box to retrieve my registration. Ok officer I'm handing it to you. Nobody does that,and the person who said it is grasping for straws.

    I do remember being 9 mo pg and holding my belly telling him my water just broke. The look on his face was priceless. I let him know I was joking and we both had a good laugh.

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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    If he killed the guy, he would have been able to argue he stood his ground against a perceived threat. We already have an example of a cop shooting an armed black man in Ferguson, and he hasn't been arrested yet.

    This guy had his hands up as soon as the cop started firing, and he was stopped for not wearing a seatbelt. Usually when cops are looking for DUIs or drugs, they stop for minor things like seatbelts or unsteady driving. It's BS. It's happened to me in bad neighborhood before. They asked me why I was out so late and I told them I was university student, driving home to stay at a friends. I think the trooper was profiling him to begin with. That's just how I see cops.

    As everybody on TV keeps repeating, cops need better training and they should all wear cameras.


    Quote Originally Posted by Verax View Post
    So what are you saying, we should just let this go and...? There has to be some accountability for these things. If he had killed the guy this would be a disgrace, luckily he is so jumpy he missed almost all of his shots and only shot him in the hip.

    We all make mistakes and then have to pay for them, why should police officers be any different? If a surgeon does a fine job on 9 patients then kills the last one from a terrible mistake, do we just let it go? Of course not.

    Like others have said, if he is so rattled by what happened earlier he should have already resigned.

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    Re: Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I posted this earlier:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBUUO_VFYMs

    Note that the police officer never hit the siren, and since the 'stop' was for a safety belt infraction, committed while moving his car about 30 yards in a parking lot, no reason for the guy to assume he's being pulled over until he's spoken to already outside his vehicle.

    Actually, just watched it again, and it's not clear the car that was originally in front of the police car is the same one pulled over. At any rate, the guy didn't hit the siren. No reason for the driver to assume he was being stopped.
    You do not see the truck of the guy who was shot until the cop car backs up and turns into the lot. The cops siren never went off, and it is not clear if the lights were flashed

    The guy who was shot was not at the pumps, but could very easily have gotten out to get something from the store or to clean the trucks windows. I expect until the cop asked for his license he had no idea the cop was interested in him.

    It was a bad shooting and the cop should be up for assault charges if not attempted murder charges
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