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    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im hoping the facts speak for themselves, but then again-Obama was elected twice and if the constant parade of scandals had been known just a few months before they started coming out-he'd have lost the election. These guys are more Nixonian than Nixon.
    Very true, or so it would seem. Just seems to be too much of a coincidence that a day after the judge rules in the Judicial Watch law suit that the DOJ must make public the documents for Fast and Furious, Holder resigns.

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    I am as well. The liberals are in a quandary. They cannot do a Sarah Palin on him. They know he is intelligent. They cannot attack him on policy...so they are attempting to make him out as a religious nut. If he runs, that will backfire big time.
    While all true, still, wouldn't it be another instance of electing someone with little to no experience in political office? Kinda did that last 2 times and hasn't really worked out too well.

    Even so, does seem that Carson exudes confidence, reasonability, logic and integrity. Those are positive characteristics we should be seeking in our leaders, but how would the good doctor fair when faced with leading a large and cumbersome bureaucratic monstrosity that is the federal government?
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    Re: Eric Holder To Step Down As Attorney General

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Very true, or so it would seem. Just seems to be too much of a coincidence that a day after the judge rules in the Judicial Watch law suit that the DOJ must make public the documents for Fast and Furious, Holder resigns.



    While all true, still, wouldn't it be another instance of electing someone with little to no experience in political office? Kinda did that last 2 times and hasn't really worked out too well.

    Even so, does seem that Carson exudes confidence, reasonability, logic and integrity. Those are positive characteristics we should be seeking in our leaders, but how would the good doctor fair when faced with leading a large and cumbersome bureaucratic monstrosity that is the federal government?
    I suspect that Dr Carson is smart and wise enough to surround himself with a competent cabinet and advisors. In his case, not having political experience is a plus. I have had it with establishment politicians.

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    I suspect that Dr Carson is smart and wise enough to surround himself with a competent cabinet and advisors. In his case, not having political experience is a plus. I have had it with establishment politicians.
    I agree. I've had it with them as well. I was not criticizing Dr. Carson, as I very much like what he's saying and his positions, and he really does communicate far better than most of the other politicians. In the unmeasurable part, I get a good vibe from him too.

    Just wondering how it'd work, and you make a good point about likely surrounding himself with competence (would it be fair to say that surgeons typically value competence above many other things?), and listening and taking council from them.
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    I think Dr. Carson would make a great Veep nominee.

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    Re: Eric Holder To Step Down As Attorney General

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    How about none of the above.
    Agreed, but since so many take such liberties with freedom of speech, I thought I'd be a bite flipped here just to illustrate a point.

    Why can't you just accept that HW Bush nominated an African American conservative to the court and leave it at that? Why suggest conspiracies?
    I accept that he did just that. No conspiracy. He simply had a dual purpose in mind when he nominated him. That was his choice, of course. I just see the nominate for what it was.

    Now you are suggesting that Reagan policies were detrimental to blacks? How so?
    I didn't say that. I'm merely saying that during the Reagan years there were many Blacks who didn't like his policies same as many White people today don't like Pres. Obama's policies. But I'm in no way suggesting that either President's policies were detrimental to anyone regardless of their race. But a truth is that unemployment among Blacks were high back then just as they are higher among Blacks compared to Whites today under Pres. Obama. However, statistically speaking I'm pretty certain that's always been the case. Improved quality of life for Blacks...now that's a different story. So, before you try to bait that hook, let's fish for the right storyline.

    What you are attempting to say is that Clarence Thomas did not stay on the democrat party plantation. He had the nerve to choose conservative policy over liberalism.
    I'm not saying he changed his political or world views, you are. It's true that early in Justice Thomas' career he was a political activist for Civil Rights, but somewhere along the lines his views changed and he become more Conservative. However, I never made such an assessment of his career or political views or even eluded to such. You did this by yourself. You let that cat out of the bag, not I.

    And he did not legislate from the bench. He ruled according to the US constitution.

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    No...Roberts did not come back to the law. He did what you just accused Thomas of doing. He legislated from the bench. His ruling in effect violated the 10th Amendment to the US constitution. He did employ verbal gymnastics in an attempt to justify his decision....calling it a tax instead of a penalty...despite the fact that the bill was not crafted that way and the Obama Administration in their attempts to defend the bill claimed over and over and over again that it was not a tax. Considering the fact that his conservative colleagues on the court claimed that he was against obamacare nearly until the vote came up......I kind of wonder what kind of detrimental information the administration had on Roberts to black mail him into changing his mind.
    On the first part, not sure I'd agree with you there; so let's just agree to disagree. As to the second, specifically the part that's underlined...

    (Literally!!!) And you say I was being racist!?! At least I was bold enough to come right out with it even in gest. But you cloaked yours in plain-sight vernacular.

    If you look at the Internal Revenue Code, you'll see that our tax laws are riddled with "tax penalties" based solely on a person or business entity not performing a certain administrative function as directed by law. Now, I would agree with you that the tax penalty is a weaker element to Congress' taxing power, but it is a tax nonetheless. In that, Justice Roberts ruled in accordance with the law. I don't like it any more than you do, but IMO he ruled properly on the matter.
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    Re: Eric Holder To Step Down As Attorney General

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I fully expect that Holder will remain through to the end of Obama's term.
    Based on their track record, the do nothing congress will never approve anyone the President nominates.
    This is a non-news story.
    I expect someone equally bad installed before the democrats lose the Senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Agreed, but since so many take such liberties with freedom of speech, I thought I'd be a bite flipped here just to illustrate a point.



    I accept that he did just that. No conspiracy. He simply had a dual purpose in mind when he nominated him. That was his choice, of course. I just see the nominate for what it was.



    I didn't say that. I'm merely saying that during the Reagan years there were many Blacks who didn't like his policies same as many White people today don't like Pres. Obama's policies. But I'm in no way suggesting that either President's policies were detrimental to anyone regardless of their race. But a truth is that unemployment among Blacks were high back then just as they are higher among Blacks compared to Whites today under Pres. Obama. However, statistically speaking I'm pretty certain that's always been the case. Improved quality of life for Blacks...now that's a different story. So, before you try to bait that hook, let's fish for the right storyline.



    I'm not saying he changed his political or world views, you are. It's true that early in Justice Thomas' career he was a political activist for Civil Rights, but somewhere along the lines his views changed and he become more Conservative. However, I never made such an assessment of his career or political views or even eluded to such. You did this by yourself. You let that cat out of the bag, not I.



    On the first part, not sure I'd agree with you there; so let's just agree to disagree. As to the second, specifically the part that's underlined...

    (Literally!!!) And you say I was being racist!?! At least I was bold enough to come right out with it even in gest. But you cloaked yours in plain-sight vernacular.

    If you look at the Internal Revenue Code, you'll see that our tax laws are riddled with "tax penalties" based solely on a person or business entity not performing a certain administrative function as directed by law. Now, I would agree with you that the tax penalty is a weaker element to Congress' taxing power, but it is a tax nonetheless. In that, Justice Roberts ruled in accordance with the law. I don't like it any more than you do, but IMO he ruled properly on the matter.
    On the race issue, I am going to assume that you are speaking in jest. As for tax or penalty...it really does not matter. The Federal Government telling Americans they must buy any given goods or services is a violation of the 10th Amendment.

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    Re: Eric Holder To Step Down As Attorney General

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    While all true, still, wouldn't it be another instance of electing someone with little to no experience in political office?
    He's still a politician, you dont get to be a chief attending, department head, world leader in your field, patient advocate, family advocate, educator, etc with out getting some meaningful experience in politics, if not in an official position.

    Id be for it.

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    I think Dr. Carson would make a great Veep nominee.
    Talk about the antithesis of Joe Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ObamacareFail View Post
    On the race issue, I am going to assume that you are speaking in jest. As for tax or penalty...it really does not matter. The Federal Government telling Americans they must buy any given goods or services is a violation of the 10th Amendment.
    So...the States should be allowed to institute a "mandate" on a product that's international in scope? I don't think that would work until you break down the barriers that first prohibits insurance from being sold across state lines and secondly keeps health insurance mostly in the hands of corporations. The public option would have taken care of that, but neither the insurance lobby (NAIC) nor Republicans wanted that.

    In any case, I understand your opposition on the health care reform issue, but must we go down this road again? I really don't care to rehash the debate again. Health care reform is here now. It's been ruled constitutional. Both parties had their chances to work across the isle and give the American people something they could swallow whole, but it failed for a whole host of reasons most of which were ideological if not personal.

    See the PBS Special, Obama's Deal for deals.
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