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    No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    A grand jury in Ohio has decided not to indict police officers in the August shooting death of a 22-year-old man carrying an air rifle at a Walmart store in Beavercreek, Ohio.

    "The grand jury listened to all the evidence, voted on it and decided that the police officers were justified in their use of force that day," prosecutor Mark Piepmeier said on Wednesday.

    In a statement, Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said the U.S. Justice Department will review the shooting of Cincinnati resident John Crawford III.

    "Now that the state criminal investigation has finished, it is an appropriate time for the United States Department of Justice to look into whether any federal laws were violated during this shooting," the statement said.

    Michael Wright, attorney representing Crawford's family, said the decision against indicting was "incomprehensible."

    "It makes absolutely no sense that an unarmed 22-year-old man would be killed doing what any American citizen does every day: Shopping at a Walmart store," he said in a statement. "The Crawford family is extremely disappointed, disgusted and confused. They are heartbroken that justice was not done in the tragic death of their only son."

    The statement added, "The Crawford family feels they have been victimized all over again and once again request that the U.S. Department of Justice conduct an independent investigation into the tragic death of John H. Crawford, lll."

    Crawford was shot and killed by police at a Walmart in Beavercreek on August 5 while carrying an air rifle through the store. Police responded to the scene after a witness called 911 and told dispatchers that Crawford was walking around with a rifle and "waving it back and forth."

    According to police, when officers arrived, Crawford did not comply with their commands to drop his weapon.

    He was shot twice, once in the elbow and once in the torso, Piepmeier said.

    Crawford died shortly after being transported to a nearby hospital. His death was ruled a homicide by gunshot wound to the torso, according to the local coroner's office.
    No indictment in police shooting at Ohio Walmart - CNN.com

    Granted that walking around in a store with a realistic looking air rifle is a terrible idea, I really think the police went way overboard here. Watching the surveillance video, it does not even appear that the police gave Crawford a chance to surrender, opting to shoot first and ask questions later. The 911 caller shares some of the blame for this incident as well, as he describes Crawford as if he's behaving in a threatening manner when he clearly is not. Some other customers walk by and do even appear remotely threatened or worried. The whole thing was a bad situation for sure, but I think that the police were way too trigger happy and should face charges.

    Here is the surveillance video for reference (shooting begins at 4:57): Surveillance video and 911 audio of Beavercreek Walmart shooting | Local News - WLWT Home

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Piepmeier, who led the team of prosecutors that presented evidence to the Greene County grand jury, called Crawford's death "a perfect storm of circumstances."

    First, there was the fact that an unwrapped air rifle was left on top of its box inside of the store. Next, the fact that Crawford decided to pick it up and carry it with him. And the fact that the 911 caller, identified in police reports as Ronald Ritchie, noticed the weapon in Crawford's hand and called authorities. And finally, the fact that the gun bore such a strong resemblance to an actual automatic weapon.
    It appears police had no reason to believe the rifle was from Walmart or an air rifle.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    An air rifle can still be deadly, so I dont see much of a distinction as to the police treatment of the weapon. Its hard to tell what really went on since the walmart audio is low and the action happens mostly off screen.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It appears police had no reason to believe the rifle was from Walmart or an air rifle.
    Didn't we pass a law a while back where all air rifles that look even remotely "assault like" have orange tips? I'm not sure how you miss that...

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Didn't we pass a law a while back where all air rifles that look even remotely "assault like" have orange tips? I'm not sure how you miss that...
    None of the air rifles at Walmart appear to have any such marking.

    For example:

    Crosman MTR77 NP Break Barrel Rifle - Walmart.com

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Didn't we pass a law a while back where all air rifles that look even remotely "assault like" have orange tips? I'm not sure how you miss that...
    Toy guns have orange tips, an air rifle is a real gun and can be just as dangerous

    . Such term does not include any look-alike, nonfiring, collector replica of an antique firearm developed prior to 1898, or traditional B-B, paint-ball, or pellet-firing air guns that expel a projectile through the force of air pressure.
    15 U.S.C. 5001 : US Code - Section 5001: Penalties for entering into commerce of imitation firearms

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    None of the air rifles at Walmart appear to have any such marking.

    For example:

    Crosman MTR77 NP Break Barrel Rifle - Walmart.com
    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Toy guns have orange tips, an air rifle is a real gun and can be just as dangerous


    15 U.S.C. 5001 : US Code - Section 5001: Penalties for entering into commerce of imitation firearms
    Oh okay, I was thinking of air-soft guns.

    Airsoft - Walmart.com

    As you can see, many of them do have orange tips. But when I googled air guns, the first site came up, none of them had the orange tips. So very well then. But I don't understand legally what's the difference though. Isn't the whole point of Orange tips was so cops wouldn't shoot kids, assuming they were using real rifles. Why are air guns different? Because they are more dangerous (why I agree with) they don't need Orange tips? That makes no sense...

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Oh okay, I was thinking of air-soft guns.

    Airsoft - Walmart.com

    As you can see, many of them do have orange tips. But when I googled air guns, the first site came up, none of them had the orange tips. So very well then. But I don't understand legally what's the difference though. Isn't the whole point of Orange tips was so cops wouldn't shoot kids, assuming they were using real rifles. Why are air guns different? Because they are more dangerous (why I agree with) they don't need Orange tips? That makes no sense...
    At any rate, the CNN article implies air guns are not accessible according to policy, thus him getting the gun in Walmart was not suspected. Police were under the presumption of the gun was from outside.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 09-25-14 at 06:55 AM.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Oh okay, I was thinking of air-soft guns.

    Airsoft - Walmart.com

    As you can see, many of them do have orange tips. But when I googled air guns, the first site came up, none of them had the orange tips. So very well then. But I don't understand legally what's the difference though. Isn't the whole point of Orange tips was so cops wouldn't shoot kids, assuming they were using real rifles. Why are air guns different? Because they are more dangerous (why I agree with) they don't need Orange tips? That makes no sense...
    An air gun shoots a metal pellet up to 6 times faster than an electric airsoft gun, they dont have orange tips because they are just as dangerous as real guns and should be treated the same

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Let this be a lesson for ass munchers that think strapping on their AK, AR and H&K for brunch at Waffle House and a quick stroll through the sales rack at K-Mart is a great way to support the 2nd. @munchers: cops will ****ing shoot you, morons.

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