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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm arguing that Walmart not following its own policy contributed to the tragedy.
    But the policy in question is an anti-theft policy and has nothing to do with preventing tragedies

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    But the policy in question is an anti-theft policy and has nothing to do with preventing tragedies
    Why is it more difficult to steal a wrapped box as opposed to an unwrapped? Presumably, the idea is to prevent the gun from being removed from the box. That seems like a safety idea as well; after all, who would advocate air guns being open access in Walmart. It would just be a matter of time until some kid does something stupid. I don't have access to Walmart's policy statement regarding air guns, so I guess we'll wait for the case.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Why is it more difficult to steal a wrapped box as opposed to an unwrapped? Presumably, the idea is to prevent the gun from being removed from the box. That seems like a safety idea as well; after all, who would advocate air guns being open access in Walmart. It would just be a matter of time until some kid does something stupid. I don't have access to Walmart's policy statement regarding air guns, so I guess we'll wait for the case.
    The policy is purely for anti-theft purposes, there are plenty of walmarts that dont secure their airguns at all. We only used to secure our air guns over $50 until we moved to a 24 hour super center.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    The policy is purely for anti-theft purposes, there are plenty of walmarts that dont secure their airguns at all. We only used to secure our air guns over $50 until we moved to a 24 hour super center.
    There's a difference between not securing them and leaving them outside a box. I'd argue that the box itself is a safety measure and wrapping is additional attempt to prevent a gun from being removed from a box. I'd scour Walmart's policy statements for any evidence of motive regarding air gun security.

    Do you believe the young man would have been walking about with the gun if it had been in a box (let alone wrapped)?

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    I found more video footage showing what happens before. He's pretty much just walking around the store without anyone caring that he is carrying the air rifle:


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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by aseidner View Post
    I found more video footage showing what happens before. He's pretty much just walking around the store without anyone caring that he is carrying the air rifle:

    Your video clip speeds through the footage (a disservice for context) in the unedited video, you can see around 1:20 or so (on your link) where the woman watches this guy, and leaves. Also, you can see him holding the weapon upright, but the pistol grip.

    So no, he was not just "walking around" and I'd expect a cop to respond. I also dont think the cop is wrong for assuming that pellet gun was a rifle.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by aseidner View Post
    I found more video footage showing what happens before. He's pretty much just walking around the store without anyone caring that he is carrying the air rifle:

    I'm wondering why a youtube video is clearer than the video presented in the OP.

    In anycase in this video it is easier to see that it looks like the guy swung the rifle somewhat up after the cops said something to him and it also looks like he was bending his knees. Possibly to shoot it, possibly to put it down. Its hard to tell. I personally think that we may have known for sure had the 911 caller not lied. Which he did do. For that reason the police officers were edgy as all get out....which is understandable. That 911 caller lying is what lead to the death of this kid imo.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    You have to be 18 to buy one by law in most places and by walmart policy just like a gun, and the ones that are sold at walmart have enough power to kill.

    Heres a story about a death by a .177 pellet gun

    South Auckland air rifle victim named | NZNews | 3 News
    One freak accident does not mean that air rifles are as lethal as real rifles. That's all there is to it. They are powered by air, either by pumping, by spring piston, or c02. THey do not cause an explosion the way a powder burner does. You're just wrong about this. Air rifles cannot be technically compared to regular rifles, nor are they as lethal.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Bah I pasted the wrong link. I wanted to add the whole video, from the time he walks in to the time he gets shot. I couldn't find it when I made this topic.

    Here's the video:

    http://www.whio.com/videos/news/surv...almart/vCtDmK/

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