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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

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    Did you miss the part where I said a majority, not all? And I never said that it was a bad reason, ego is a big part of our person.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Then explain it.
    Why not educate yourself before spouting silliness? Doesn't seem very libertarian.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Did you watch the video? You can see them approach at 8;26;54 to the aisle, the you can actually hear them at 8;26;55 scream something at the guy that sounds like drop the gun, at 8;26;56 they guy has his knees bended with the gun pointed down, like he is going to drop the gun, and then at 8;26;57 you hear the shots and see the guy on the ground. Right before starting from 8;26;51 you can see a shadow from the cop. The guy is still standing there like nothing so it's obvious by that and the lack of sound, which you can clearly hear when the cops do start to talk and approach the guy, that there was no type of negotiation or confrontation. The approached and shot plain and simple. It's there on camera with audio and a second by second account.

    The caller also watched multiple people walk in and out of the aisle with no issues or threat, although he claimed there was - @ 8;25;44 he claims he pointed it at two children when he didn't even have it raised in the air. And point out where the guy was reloading it like the caller claimed.
    I watched the video (from the link in this thread). You could not see the other side of the aisle, the far back, where at least one of the cops came from. And the only people that came into the area were one employee, who didn't even glance in the guy's direction, a group of three who sees him and moves past without going anywhere close, and a family, mother and two kids looking at fish. The woman moved her kids out into the garden area after she saw the guy then looked to try to get the attention of someone once in there. Then she walked back inside, without going into view of the other camera. You couldn't possibly hear when/if the other police officer, the one on the other side, confronted him prior to anything. But you can see the guy raise the rifle up and down several times. We also have no idea how close the video matches the audio since the audio we hear is coming from the 9/11 call (at least from the link), not from the video recording itself. We have no idea what angle the caller was at.

    Three seconds though is more than enough time for him to drop the gun. Plus, he was waiting for something to happen, that is obvious from the video we have. No one stays in one exact spot, where no one else is, in WalMart, not picking up items, not talking to anyone, not doing anything but waving around/moving a gun unless they are waiting for something to happen. There is definitely more to this story than that video (from store cameras) and the call.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    This is absolutely true - from the video, just before the suspect is shot, a mother and two kids enter the pet supplies aisle where the suspect is and while they don't appear to interact, the mother and kids don't appear to feel the least bit threatened and the suspect doesn't aim the rifle at them or even seem to acknowledge they're there.

    The connection of the video surveillance and the 911 audio is a little confusing to me because we're left with the impression that the caller is seeing exactly what's on the video when the truth is, I believe, that the caller is somewhere down in the store observing the suspect from a totally different angle. The caller may be seeing things we aren't in the video but it's clear his account of what the suspect is doing is patently false in many respects.
    Bull. I saw the mother glance over at the guy, say something to the kids, and they left into the garden section, eventhough it looked like they were going to be getting fish. Then she starts looking for someone, probably an employee and it appears like she is gesturing for someone to make a phone call. She walks immediately the other way when she steps back inside, away from the guy with the gun. She obviously felt somewhat threatened by him. Now, I didn't see him point the gun at anyone, however, that doesn't mean the guy talking didn't believe he did. Afterall, we have no idea what angle the guy talking is seeing this from. The guy with the gun was moving the gun around much of the time, swinging it up and down at least.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's difficult enough, and against the rules, to dissuade someone of limited capacity (for whatever reason) from attempting to do so. The gun being easily available presumably contributed to the tragedy. Wanna bet, Walmart gets sued?
    im sure walmart will get sued we always get sued. In a normal walmart store the gun is in the box unsecured and easy to open. That walmarts policy is to have it spider wrapped for anti-theft purposes. So while it might have contributed to the tragedy, it would not be so uncommon to see an air gun outside its box.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    im sure walmart will get sued we always get sued. In a normal walmart store the gun is in the box unsecured and easy to open. That walmarts policy is to have it spider wrapped for anti-theft purposes. So while it might have contributed to the tragedy, it would not be so uncommon to see an air gun outside its box.
    "Might have contributed"? I'd bet if the gun was in a wrapped box he would not have been walking around with it. Walmart might change policy and say 'no air gun boxes on the sales floor' if employees cannot follow policy.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

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    Why dont you tell me why I subconsciously got into my field, you seem to know for everyone else.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Reading more on this, apparently he was on the phone, however, I could not see that in the video. So, could the officers as they showed up? Did they know that he was on the phone?

    This is a tragedy, but the cops couldn't know what was going on, nor did the caller. I have no idea what the caller saw, but what he told the dispatcher was what the police knew, and that was that there was a guy who appeared to be threatening people in Walmart with a gun. They are not going to know what type of gun immediately. They must assume the armed person is a threat until they have information that says that he isn't. Maybe the caller should be investigated but I bet that the caller was just scared and thought he saw stuff that he didn't see. We can't know. Unless it comes out the caller knew the guy or was purposely lying to the 911 operator about what went on, then we can't prove that he didn't believe he saw what he claimed to see at that time.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    "Might have contributed"? I'd bet if the gun was in a wrapped box he would not have been walking around with it. Walmart might change policy and say 'no air gun boxes on the sales floor' if employees cannot follow policy.
    Are you really trying to argue that not following an anti-theft policy is a safety hazard?

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Are you really trying to argue that not following an anti-theft policy is a safety hazard?
    I'm arguing that Walmart not following its own policy contributed to the tragedy.

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