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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You do know there were other circumstances?
    Please explain.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I know most Walmarts and stores like that have a sporting section, I don't see why they can't keep those type of guns there, if they already don't, and then take them up front to be purchased before leaving. I don't think it's to anyone's benefit to have people walking around stores with realistic looking guns that may cause concern from other shoppers.
    The CNN article clearly implies that air guns are not to be open-access according to Walmart policy. The gun was left out improperly. That's why the cops believed the gun was from outside.


    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'll tell you something that struck me as very odd. At Walmart stores I have been to, the air rifles are in boxes. They aren't displayed like regular rifles in a case. If he was carrying an air rifle off the shelf, then he was doubly stupid for taking it out of the box and carrying it around the store. If he took it into the store with him, he was doubly stupid for not informing every single employee of what he was doing. People are stupid when it comes to guns, and you have to allow for the stupidity of the average joe not knowing what they are looking at. Just as another poster here claimed that air rifle are just as deadly as real rifles, the general public who doesn't shoot, has no idea what they are talking about, and should NOT be given the benefit of the doubt.

    As for the ammo, air rifle pellets at Walmart come in two calibers. .177 and .22. You do not need the air rifle with you to find it. They comes in little metal cans, and the caliber of the airgun is usually marked on the barrel or the breach, and the cans are clearly marked as to caliber.
    See my note above.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Please explain.
    It was not JUST that he had what appeared to be a real rifle. There were other circumstances.

    1. The police presumed the gun was from outside. This means someone brought a rifle into Walmart... why?
    2. 9/11 had been called and the caller claimed the gun wielding man was acting aggressive and loading the weapon.
    3. The man apparently had some trouble with ~"drop the weapon".

    All of these things contributed to the "perfect storm" that resulted in this tragedy.

    When you pretend that a single aspect of the event justified "automatic execution", you are ignoring context in a pathetic attempt to demonize the police for what, by all accounts, appears to be a tragedy.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The CNN article clearly implies that air guns are not to be open-access according to Walmart policy. The gun was left out improperly. That's why the cops believed the gun was from outside.
    well thats not exactly correct, if it was secured that would be for theft prevention and each store and region have thier own policies on that. The gun should have been back in its box but it could just as easily have been taken out of its box by any customer.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    well thats not exactly correct, if it was secured that would be for theft prevention and each store and region have thier own policies on that. The gun should have been back in its box but it could just as easily have been taken out of its box by any customer.
    I'm not sure how easy that is. We don't know the policy beyond the CNN article noting that the gun was not supposed to be so easily accessed and that this slip-up, by the store, added to the confusion.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm not sure how easy that is. We don't know the policy beyond the CNN article noting that the gun was not supposed to be so easily accessed and that this slip-up, by the store, added to the confusion.
    I do know the policy

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    I do know the policy
    According to the article, the gun was supposed to be wrapped (shrink wrap?) and in its box. It was not, it was sitting out in the open which is against store policy.

    We don't know if the young man would have opened a box and removed the wrapping, but I'm guessing he would not have.

    I don't get why it is important for you to ignore this factor.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It was not JUST that he had what appeared to be a real rifle. There were other circumstances.

    1. The police presumed the gun was from outside. This means someone brought a rifle into Walmart... why?
    2. 9/11 had been called and the caller claimed the gun wielding man was acting aggressive and loading the weapon.
    3. The man apparently had some trouble with ~"drop the weapon".

    All of these things contributed to the "perfect storm" that resulted in this tragedy.

    When you pretend that a single aspect of the event justified "automatic execution", you are ignoring context in a pathetic attempt to demonize the police for what, by all accounts, appears to be a tragedy.
    1 - Irrelevant. He never threatened them.
    2 - The police can use their own eyes to judge the situation... as they were taught. The fact that they did not, is a stain in them and their behavior.
    3 - He was on the phone.

    For me the bottom line is, he was never a threat to the officers or anyone in the store. They came in looking to shoot from what's on the video. They are there to protect and serve. Who were they protecting? Who's being served? The man was never a threat to them as he never took a threatening posture.

    Honestly, I'm baffled by your defense. The video does not show a man threatening anyone.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    According to the article, the gun was supposed to be wrapped (shrink wrap?) and in its box. It was not, it was sitting out in the open which is against store policy.

    We don't know if the young man would have opened a box and removed the wrapping, but I'm guessing he would not have.

    I don't get why it is important for you to ignore this factor.
    It's an open carry state. Seeing a gun or a rifle in the hands of a person does not automatically make them a threat. Well, it shouldn't.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Honestly, I'm baffled by your defense. The video does not show a man threatening anyone.
    My defense is based on logic and reason, while considering all of the unfortunate factors that lead to the tragedy. Your narrative ends at the same place it begins: "cops are evil", that's circular logic.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    It's an open carry state. Seeing a gun or a rifle in the hands of a person does not automatically make them a threat. Well, it shouldn't.
    You're AGAIN ignoring all of the circumstances and presenting a strawman.

    You're not even making the slightest effort to examine this honestly. Good day.

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