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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Wrong. This was a case where the safety of the public trumped a person's rights in the immediate timeframe.
    The safety of the public was in no imminent danger

    Had the guy put the gun down instead of just standing there, and appearing to swing it up (even if only a little), he would not have been shot. The police had no way of knowing that he wasn't going to bring the gun up further.
    The gun did not appear to be swinging up. It appeared to be swinging down because it was swinging down.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The safety of the public was in no imminent danger

    The gun did not appear to be swinging up. It appeared to be swinging down because it was swinging down.
    The police did not know if it was or wasn't, particularly with the information they did have, which lead them to believe that the safety of the public was at risk.

    And yes, the gun does appear to swing up right after the police arrive and first engage Crawford. You can continue to deny this, but I saw it happen in that video.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The police did not know if it was or wasn't, particularly with the information they did have, which lead them to believe that the safety of the public was at risk.
    The info they had was right in front of them - a man who posed no imminent threat when they shot him

    And yes, the gun does appear to swing up right after the police arrive and first engage Crawford. You can continue to deny this, but I saw it happen in that video.
    I have outlined what happens in the video in that time frame, complete with times. The gun was moving down when he was shot.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is becoming Kafkaesque. Are you actually trying to justify lying that results in another person's death?
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I've already made my comments on the video. You have yet to answer any questions that would provide information about the situation. Without that information, I wont' comment on what happened. It is important as to determining what happened.

    I ignored the video because I didn't feel like watching something that I knew (and was right) was a setup from the beginning. I also defended the black guy. Or did you miss the part where I said specifically that the black guy pumping gas was the only one that I felt was being a responsible gun owner out of the three?
    Yeah I did miss that.

    The guy in dreadlocks was being just as responsible as anyone else. That is absolutely not a setup. That's him walking down the street minding his own business. And if you have seen video's in the past about these types of situations when the individual is White it never EVER generates a mini-S.W.A.T. team coming out. NOT EVER. It's usually one car responding. Sometimes two cars.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Yeah I did miss that.

    The guy in dreadlocks was being just as responsible as anyone else. That is absolutely not a setup. That's him walking down the street minding his own business. And if you have seen video's in the past about these types of situations when the individual is White it never EVER generates a mini-S.W.A.T. team coming out. NOT EVER. It's usually one car responding. Sometimes two cars.
    That is simply untrue...I not only watched the videos posted in here, but then went on yesterday to related videos, most involved white guys in different cities out for '2nd amendment walks'... Most that I saw have multiple police cars, and some pretty disturbing responses from police IMHO. Trying to make this a racial incident is despicable
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    This is becoming Kafkaesque. Are you actually trying to justify lying that results in another person's death?
    It's no different than lying about your age
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    This is becoming Kafkaesque. Are you actually trying to justify lying that results in another person's death?
    You don't know that he "lied" about someone's death (in fact, he didn't). You are trying to say that him claiming "I am an ex-Marine", a technicality that really wasn't true just due to the fact that he didn't make it through basic due to errors or wrong information on his paperwork (we have no real way of knowing the situation there) proves or is some sort of evidence that he absolutely lied about what he saw when it came to this incident and what he reported over the phone. It doesn't prove anything of the sort. If he had a history of calling 911 on other people, of racial discrimination, of being an anti-gun person, of exaggerating claims about others, or similar things that are legitimately connected to this incident, related to some aspect of this incident, then you would have some evidence that the caller is less than trustworthy and up the likelihood that he lied rather than simply reported bad information to the police.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Yeah I did miss that.

    The guy in dreadlocks was being just as responsible as anyone else. That is absolutely not a setup. That's him walking down the street minding his own business. And if you have seen video's in the past about these types of situations when the individual is White it never EVER generates a mini-S.W.A.T. team coming out. NOT EVER. It's usually one car responding. Sometimes two cars.
    Who walks around with someone else filming them, not talking with each other, with a rifle slung across their shoulder, unless they are trying to start something, trying to "catch" someone "violating" their rights? That isn't normal behavior. In all likelihood, it was a setup. He isn't the only one doing such things either, but it is still a setup, to see what reaction a person will get for exercising their 2nd Amendment rights in a way that is assholish at best.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    Witness says he was told multiple times to drop the weapon. Its just no on the news. The 911 caller says he was told. So, what else do you want?
    So it wasn't on the news, then the question is why wasn't that reported?
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