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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I've said numerous times here and on other threads that the officer should be held accountable for his actions.

    Personally, I don't believe the officer should have clearly been charged, there's room for doubt, but I also do not believe he should still be a police officer, at least not one who carries a weapon in public. I also believe, particularly in the US, this matter is ripe for a civil lawsuit definitely against the police, possibly against Walmart if the gun the suspect was carrying was store merchandise that wasn't properly contained before sale, and also possibly the 911 caller who appears, to me, to be falsely reporting to the 911 operator a scenario far more dangerous and potentially deadly than what clearly existed from the video. To use an old analogy, if you yell fire in a crowded movie theater and there's no fire and someone gets hurt or dies in the rush to exit, you are partially culpable/liable for the harm you cause.
    I'm a lot more critical of the officer. It's suppose to be their job to assess the situation, not blindly follow a caller's statements. At no point did they give the man, who is not threatening anyone and who did not point the weapon at them, reasonable opportunity to respond.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    They wouldn't have. I was talking about wishing the caller could get some kind of false police report charge since he was falsely reporting details that were proven wrong by the surveillance camera.
    I have to admit, my personal visualization of the caller's narrative didn't match what I was seeing in the video.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    During the time that the caller told the 911 operator that the guy was pointing a gun at two children the guy had the gun pointed down and he wasn't even moving his arms. The 911 caller should be held accountable for his lying.

    As for the police, the guy with the gun was standing part way down the aisle so he wouldn't have seen the other police officer that was coming from the direction off camera. So that policeman more than likely was not talking to him as police do try and have an eye on the suspect before talking to them when possible. The only time that I can see the guy with the gun reacting to the police is when the one that comes in through the door and practically starts shooting immediately with maybe 2 seconds of hollering something at the guy with the gun before shooting him. The cops should have been indicted.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    NO, they are not just as dangerous, and they are not classified as firearms in most places.
    You have to be 18 to buy one by law in most places and by walmart policy just like a gun, and the ones that are sold at walmart have enough power to kill.

    Heres a story about a death by a .177 pellet gun

    South Auckland air rifle victim named | NZNews | 3 News
    Last edited by Crovax; 09-25-14 at 12:31 PM.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    You have to be 18 to buy one by law in most places and by walmart policy just like a gun, and the ones that are sold at walmart have enough power to kill.

    Heres a story about a death by a .177 pellet gun

    South Auckland air rifle victim named | NZNews | 3 News
    What exactly is your point? The man wasn't pointing the toy at anyone... certainly not the police. Or is it just standard protocol now to shoot if someone is carrying a weapon in an open carry state?
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    What exactly is your point? The man wasn't pointing the toy at anyone... certainly not the police. Or is it just standard protocol now to shoot if someone is carrying a weapon in an open carry state?
    Open carry doesnt apply if you hold the gun in a threatening manner, the video isnt very clear on what exactly he is doing with the gun. Hes a black guy with a black shirt holding a black gun, hard to tell whats going on in the low definition video

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Open carry doesnt apply if you hold the gun in a threatening manner, the video isnt very clear on what exactly he is doing with the gun. Hes a black guy with a black shirt holding a black gun, hard to tell whats going on in the low definition video
    What I can tell is not going on is this man is not roaming the store like he's in a paint-ball arena, pointing the rifle at people. I would even go so far as to say he did not point the rifle at those 2 children.

    He's still an idiot for walking around with a rifle in his hand, but that doesn't excuse the caller.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What I can tell is not going on is this man is not roaming the store like he's in a paint-ball arena, pointing the rifle at people. I would even go so far as to say he did not point the rifle at those 2 children.

    He's still an idiot for walking around with a rifle in his hand, but that doesn't excuse the caller.
    Why? It's a toy and he wasn't acting like it was real.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Why? It's a toy and he wasn't acting like it was real.
    It's not a toy, is the thing. Walking around with an air rifle in hand is exactly like walking around with a machete in hand.

    If he were walking around with a Nerf gun, that would be very different.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Clearly the only solution is to disarm and disband all police officers and departments.

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