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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    In your opinion. You don't know what the cops saw that they viewed as a threat. Perhaps it is you that did not see the threat they saw. Obviously people on that grand jury felt there was some sort of threat there for the police to judge in the situation.
    Not opinion; fact

    The rifle was pointed at the floor. No threat.

    And the cop says they saw him turn. The video shows he didn't turn. Any officer that hallucinates should not be on the force
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "Crawford did not comply with their commands to drop his weapon."

    There is the threat.
    That is not a threat



    They gave warning to Crawford, he failed to comply with orders that would have defused the situation without being shot...
    They didn't give him time to comply
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That is not a threat
    That's your opinion...Not fact.

    They didn't give him time to comply
    Again, that's your opinion...
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's your opinion...Not fact.



    Again, that's your opinion...
    Both are facts
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Both are facts
    No, they are your opinion. There is a difference.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    He ended up in jail because he was uncooperative in the police investigating the situation. He was being an asshole and breaking the law by not cooperating with the police. In all likelihood, he would have been free to leave long before even the confrontation he instigated took had he simply cooperated with the police officer.
    I'm pretty uncooperative with people who want to ignore my rights under the law. Why are police exempt from that? A pleasant attitude from them would go a long way to defusing situations.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Its pretty obvious what happened here and too many times elsewhere.

    http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/m...&issue_id=5200
    https://news.wsu.edu/2014/09/02/dead.../#.VC9swBbGhd4
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    I'm pretty uncooperative with people who want to ignore my rights under the law. Why are police exempt from that? A pleasant attitude from them would go a long way to defusing situations.
    Because not everyone realizes what their rights truly are and that the police have to be more concerned about what sort of threat someone poses rather than your rights in certain situations, such as the one involving Crawford. It is better for you to be able to sue the government because you had to endure some inconvenience than for you to be dead, is it not?
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    the police have to be more concerned about what sort of threat someone poses rather than your rights in certain situations
    Nonsense. The police, and the entire govt, have to always concern themselves with people's rights or else they have no interest in preventing people from being killed.

    such as the one involving Crawford. It is better for you to be able to sue the government because you had to endure some inconvenience than for you to be dead, is it not?
    Yeah, we had to ignore Crawford's right so we could protect no one's rights.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nonsense. The police, and the entire govt, have to always concern themselves with people's rights or else they have no interest in preventing people from being killed.

    Yeah, we had to ignore Crawford's right so we could protect no one's rights.
    Wrong. This was a case where the safety of the public trumped a person's rights in the immediate timeframe. Had the guy put the gun down instead of just standing there, and appearing to swing it up (even if only a little), he would not have been shot. The police had no way of knowing that he wasn't going to bring the gun up further.
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