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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, during the time the police are in the video, the gun is pointing down or being lowered
    No, it isn't. I gave the exact time earlier where the gun swings forward after the police arrive and engage Crawford. The gun swings forward. That is what almost certainly prompted the first shot(s) fired.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Yeah if that WalMart was anything like all the Walmarts in my city, the lawn and garden deparment has a separate entrance. If I felt threatened in any way, as a mother, I would have walked behind my child and got the hell out of the store. It makes no sense if a parent felt threatened by a man they thought had a gun, to leave a child behind and then not leave the store and even though she walked back in and headed supposedly the other way - if she felt threatened in any way why the hell did she go back through the door and risk anything to her children? I really can't speak for all mothers though some may react different but it just makes no sense to think she felt a threat and then put her children at risk.
    Not all WalMarts do have another entrance and not all mothers are the same. She may have had stuff she had to get elsewhere in the store. She might have been waiting on a prescription. She have been told in the garden department that the police had been informed or that they knew about the guy. There are different levels of threat. Not everything is black and white.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not all WalMarts do have another entrance and not all mothers are the same. She may have had stuff she had to get elsewhere in the store. She might have been waiting on a prescription. She have been told in the garden department that the police had been informed or that they knew about the guy. There are different levels of threat. Not everything is black and white.
    You're right, I can't speak for all mothers I only know my own instinct to protect my child above anyone else. If there was no exit and I truly felt a little bit of a threat and thought it was a gun, I would find somewhere to hide or conceal and protect her, **** anything else including a prescription . I can't imagine the kind of parent thinking they need to go back with their children in the line of a threat because their prescription may be ready. I'm glad I'm not like that, how selfish.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And you can't hear anything she says. It is obvious that she moves her children out of the area as soon as she actually sees him. That means that she felt some degree of threat from him.
    It is obvious that she leaves her daughter behind her and makes no gesture to her daughter or any gesture to get anyone's attention, as you claimed.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not all WalMarts do have another entrance and not all mothers are the same.
    This WalMart does have another entrance because the police enter it without going through the door seen in the video.

    She may have had stuff she had to get elsewhere in the store. She might have been waiting on a prescription. She have been told in the garden department that the police had been informed or that they knew about the guy. There are different levels of threat. Not everything is black and white.
    She had to get something so she goes back in, with her children!!, when there's a crazy man with a gun she's afraid of inside?
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    You're right, I can't speak for all mothers I only know my own instinct to protect my child above anyone else. If there was no exit and I truly felt a little bit of a threat and thought it was a gun, I would find somewhere to hide or conceal and protect her, **** anything else including a prescription . I can't imagine the kind of parent thinking they need to go back with their children in the line of a threat because their prescription may be ready. I'm glad I'm not like that, how selfish.
    I have an instinct to protect my children too, but I can't say that I wouldn't have done what this mother did in the same situation. It would have been based off of my circumstances and how threatened I felt. It is actually amazing what we can convince ourselves of. She could have easily been having an internal monologue with herself, telling her that she was overreacting. Maybe he really wasn't an actual threat, but she should be cautious. As I said, it isn't black and white, he is a lethal threat to me and mine or no threat at all. It is absolutely not that simple.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It is obvious that she leaves her daughter behind her and makes no gesture to her daughter or any gesture to get anyone's attention, as you claimed.
    The daughter was left behind almost the same amount of time it took between the police getting there and shots fired, about 2-3 seconds. So the daughter was hustled out quickly but the police gave the guy plently of time.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    This WalMart does have another entrance because the police enter it without going through the door seen in the video.

    She had to get something so she goes back in, with her children!!, when there's a crazy man with a gun she's afraid of inside?
    And you both are reducing the situation to black and white only. It is absolutely not that simple, not for most people. You can easily feel threatened by someone without it being a "he's going to kill me or my children next time he sees us" type threat. It can be more of "maybe I should avoid that person just in case he is crazy and decides to open fire".
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    The daughter was left behind almost the same amount of time it took between the police getting there and shots fired, about 2-3 seconds. So the daughter was hustled out quickly but the police gave the guy plently of time.
    The mother didn't direct the police, nor did the police direct the daughter to move. The police are not likely going to place the same level of threat or urgency to the situation as the mother, as any civilian. Likely the police are going to place a higher level of urgency, once they realize that they do have a guy in WalMart with a rifle, and that he could potentially be dangerous, given the information they have. The mother would not have any information saying that he might have loaded the gun, the police did. The mother wouldn't have any information (that we know of) that he was (whether or true or not) pointing it at people, the police did. So she could have placed him at a lower level of threat than the police, while still registering him as a threat.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I have an instinct to protect my children too, but I can't say that I wouldn't have done what this mother did in the same situation. It would have been based off of my circumstances and how threatened I felt. It is actually amazing what we can convince ourselves of. She could have easily been having an internal monologue with herself, telling her that she was overreacting. Maybe he really wasn't an actual threat, but she should be cautious. As I said, it isn't black and white, he is a lethal threat to me and mine or no threat at all. It is absolutely not that simple.
    If his actions did not rise to the level that she felt he was a lethal threat, then he shouldn't have been shot.

    Or are you arguing that anyone who does something that makes someone the least bit concerned deserves to be shot?
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