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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I believed the guy was trying to load the gun because on the video, it looks that way to me. I have no idea what made him believe (if he truly did) that the guy was pointing the gun at some kids. The Marines thing is an after-the-fact issue, not connected to the phone call at all. It has absolutely nothing to do with the situation besides some people trying to use it to discredit the guy's character. It doesn't in any way prove that the guy lied to the 911 operator. It really doesn't show anything.
    Yep, a guy with a long history of lying probably lying even if it looks like he was.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    All of them?
    I'll make it easy. Here's a numbered list. Which of those did I get wrong?

    1) innocent person
    2) posing no actual threat
    3) breaking no law
    4) threatened no individual,
    5) stalked no one,
    6) pointed the gun directly at no one,
    7) minding his business in a deserted corner of Walmart
    8) talking on the phone,
    9) is dead.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

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    My BB gun doesn't have a red tip either, and it shoots metal BBs with a pretty decent muzzle velocity, it's kind of scary now that I think of it.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong. It shows why the police should not believe or rely on the reports of civilian eyewitnesses
    They have to sometimes. What if the civilian had been right? What if it was a real rifle and the guy holding it had been disturbed? What "clues" would the police have to actually show them this in that few seconds of seeing him? How would they know that he wasn't raising that rifle to shoot one of them or someone else?
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Yep, a guy with a long history of lying probably lying even if it looks like he was.
    Everyone has a "long history of lying".

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Tell the truth. He could have simply told the police the truth that we all saw as we watched the video. Crawford was not threatening anyone. Crawford didn't point the "gun" at anyone.

    If he thought he saw Crawford doing these things, he wasn't looking at Crawford.

    If what you believe isn't what's happening, doesn't that make you at the very least, crazy?

    1 - Show me where in the video (outside of the caller who is clearly not seeing correctly) does anyone feel threatened by Crawford. Show me in the video where Crawford behaved in a threatening manner.
    2 - Crawford, and any person not doing anything illegal, shouldn't need to live in a state of fear that his or her actions may be perceived as threatening. It's not the responsibility of law abiding citizens to be ever-vigilant of other people's fears.
    3 - No one, not engaging in any illegal activity, should be walking around prepared to react when cops arrive on the scene. This points back to point 2.
    4 - No... the cops should not be using ANY force against a person who's not threatening them or others in the public.
    Not only is the family of three obviously threatened in the video, but earlier, someone posted the witness statements, and the boy says that he and his sister and mother felt threatened/scared, and that is why they left the area he was in. So yes, others did feel threatened by Crawford.

    You should always be aware of whether your actions can be perceived as threatening. This is one reason why you should keep track of your luggage/bags while in a public area, such as an airport, on the bus, in a mall, or anywhere else in public. Because in this day and age, unattended baggage can be considered "threatening" because it could be a bomb of some sort. It isn't illegal to leave your bags or luggage behind accidentally, but it can still be a threat to the public in general and cost the public time and money for you to do that.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I assume you mean it's not "reality" to expect other Walmart patrons and/or police to not assume a person legally carrying a rifle is an imminent threat warranting the SWAT team response. If that's not reality, then Ohio has no business with an open carry law. If carrying a rifle in Walmart is suspicious, and police assume anyone doing this entirely legal act is a mad man who gets one second to prove he's not before killing him, then it shouldn't be legal to carry a rifle in Walmart. And of course I don't think it should be legal to do.
    I don't care where you are, carrying a rifle openly around WalMart, particularly in a manner like this guy did (swinging it back and forth, swinging it up and down to chest level, swinging it over his shoulder several times, appearing like he was trying to load it, etc.) is suspicious behavior. It is completely legal behavior, just like, technically, looking into the windows of warehouses and stores is legal behavior, yet it doesn't make it any less suspicious. The more suspicious yet legal behavior you have together, the more suspicious the person looks and the less likely it is that their intentions are good or neutral. It doesn't mean that the person can't just be curious or oblivious or distracted, and not mean to do anything at all, but it is still suspicious behavior, warranting checking it out. In this case though, the suspicious behavior could also be considered threatening since it involved a gun/weapon.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    They have to sometimes. What if the civilian had been right? What if it was a real rifle and the guy holding it had been disturbed? What "clues" would the police have to actually show them this in that few seconds of seeing him? How would they know that he wasn't raising that rifle to shoot one of them or someone else?
    No, they don't have to. They take the reports into consideration but when they get to the scene, but their actions should be based on what is actually happening. In this case, even if it had been a real rifle and the man was disturbed, his actions while the police were there did not post any imminent threat. Therefore, there was no need to shoot him. They would know that he wasn't raising his gun to shoot at them because he wasn't raising his gun at all.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not only is the family of three obviously threatened in the video, but earlier, someone posted the witness statements, and the boy says that he and his sister and mother felt threatened/scared, and that is why they left the area he was in. So yes, others did feel threatened by Crawford.
    That is just not true. His statement said "we stayed away from him". It does not mention threatened or scared.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    No comment on the video where a veritable strike force arrives for a man walking down the street in an Open carry state. Why so selective on what you comment on? You reflexively defend the White Guy in the photo but ignored the video. This is becoming very transparent.
    I've already made my comments on the video. You have yet to answer any questions that would provide information about the situation. Without that information, I wont' comment on what happened. It is important as to determining what happened.

    I ignored the video because I didn't feel like watching something that I knew (and was right) was a setup from the beginning. I also defended the black guy. Or did you miss the part where I said specifically that the black guy pumping gas was the only one that I felt was being a responsible gun owner out of the three?
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