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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If you don't act in a threatening manner, or do something really stupid such as running away, the cops have no reason to shoot. Everything this guy did was a red flag.
    Plenty of people have been shot by cops even though they did not act in a threatening manner nor run away. Crawford for one was shot even though he did neither.

    I know a person who did nothing wrong, had no weapon, threatened no one (he was playing/wrestling in the snow with his girlfriend) and did not run away and was shot by a cop. Someone called 911 and reported an attempted rape. The cops came, saw him wrestling with his girlfriend, so they shot him.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by aseidner View Post
    The video is not soundless. You can hear them command Crawford to get down and immediately hear shots afterwards.
    I believe the video itself is soundless. What you are hearing are bits and pieces the police dispatcher is picking up over her radio.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I believe the video itself is soundless. What you are hearing are bits and pieces the police dispatcher is picking up over her radio.
    That is correct. It's the audio from the 911 call synced up to the surveillance video. As such, I admit that some sounds may have not been picked up. From what we can hear in the video, it doesn't sound like they gave him any chance at all to drop the weapon.

    Unfortunately, the witness reports don't seem to help clarify much either (also doesn't help that I can't read the crappy handwriting): http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/n..._-_Final_2.pdf

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not quite admitting "he lied", at least at the time. Especially since what he says didn't happen isn't actually what he said happened in the call, "at no point did he shoulder the rifle and point it at somebody.". He actually never said that the guy "shouldered the rifle and pointed it at someone" in his call.

    But this does go back to psychology. He may have believed at the time that he saw the guy point the rifle at someone and even load it (which is possible if the guy didn't know what kind of gun it was since certain movements can appear to be loading it when it comes to perspective). When is something a lie? Is a statement a lie when it is something a person knows is wrong or when what they believe is proven wrong?

    Now, maybe this guy did truly lie on purpose, and if proven, he should be held accountable. However, this does not prove any lie on his part, only a change in perspective, especially since he had since been shown the video and people adjust their perspectives to new facts and information, even subconsciously.
    Ronald Ritchie lied about what happened in the store. He lied about being an "Ex-Marine". And he was dishonorably discharged after 7 months because he had a fradulent enlistment. The guy is a habitual liar and I'm not at all surprised that you're doing what you can to defend that liar by making excuses for him.

    He may have believed he was "an ex-marine" too right? He may have believed whatever falsehoods he told to fradulently enlist in the Marines in the first place too right? Ronald Ritchie has a long history of "maybe believing" all kinds of false statements he's made.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Everything this guy did was a red flag.
    You mean like be Black in a Wal*Mart?
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by aseidner View Post
    That is correct. It's the audio from the 911 call synced up to the surveillance video. As such, I admit that some sounds may have not been picked up. From what we can hear in the video, it doesn't sound like they gave him any chance at all to drop the weapon.

    Unfortunately, the witness reports don't seem to help clarify much either (also doesn't help that I can't read the crappy handwriting): http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/n..._-_Final_2.pdf
    Those eyewitness reports confirm what I've always believed:

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    If you don't act in a threatening manner, or do something really stupid such as running away, the cops have no reason to shoot. Everything this guy did was a red flag.
    Why not shoot this guy? He has a REAL gun in a department store.

    Open carry.jpg

    Maybe because he isn't guilty of the obvious "red" flag, like this guy...

    Open carry - blk.jpg

    or this guy.



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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, it is impossible to look at a video of a man and tell if he turned around.
    Report padding is a god given cop right. Lay off of vesper. It costs a lot of money to hire new cops and train them. So padding reports and keeping unfit cops is a benefit to society. Its only 1 black guy.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You might see a video (even one with no sound) and think that because you're seeing an actual sort of account of what happened, you know the whole story. And it's very rare that a video is actually going to be able to tell the whole story. I think just about every professor of Criminal Law would agree with that statement. The evidence given to the grand jury that we are not privy to didn't warrant an indictment of the officers. And we all know grand juries are known to indict a ham sandwich. Nevertheless, all the information has been turned over to the DOJ for further review.
    I believe a more accurate version is, "A prosecutor could have a grand jury indict a ham sandwich - if he or she wanted."

    And there is a big difference, at least in my view, between "the situation was disastrously handled by the police, ending in a needless and tragic death of a civilian who committed no crime" and "the police officer should be charged with a crime and jailed for 10-20 years for murder."

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Why not shoot this guy? He has a REAL gun in a department store.

    Maybe because he isn't guilty of the obvious "red" flag, like this guy...

    or this guy.

    John Crawford Shooting: Open Carry for Whites; Open Season on Blacks - The Root
    Wow, that video was amazing. I think there were at least five police cars, 10 cops, canine, all because a black guy was carrying a gun, and obviously threatening no one. I'm glad he didn't reach up to scratch his head....

    Reminds me of this picture:

    Black-Panther-Guns-270x300.jpg

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