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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, no, not really. At least not in this part of the country. In a gun store, you wont typically see anyone walking around swinging a gun around. They will look at the gun at the counter, in the presence of the salesman. They may inspect the action or the barrel, but they usually hand it back to the salesman, and pay for it, then leave the store, or finish their shopping, then pick the gun up on the way out the door. His behavior wasn't typical of a serious gun owner.
    In gun stores, when the employee hands you a weapon to look at, he sticks with you until you give it back. They don't keep rifles laying around either.

    IOW, this wasn't a gun store and not being a serious gun owner is not a capital crime or a threat to the public
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, no, not really. At least not in this part of the country. In a gun store, you wont typically see anyone walking around swinging a gun around. They will look at the gun at the counter, in the presence of the salesman. They may inspect the action or the barrel, but they usually hand it back to the salesman, and pay for it, then leave the store, or finish their shopping, then pick the gun up on the way out the door. His behavior wasn't typical of a serious gun owner.
    In every gun store I've been in, that's true...and ALL the ammo is behind a counter.

    In Cabelas and ProBassShops, the ammo is out in the aisles, but the guns are in cases and no way are you walking around with them. Same at our Fred Meyers and Walmart.

    Ammo and guns are not available *together* in any place I've seen. Seems like air guns and pellets may have been a 'loop hole' up to now.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In gun stores, when the employee hands you a weapon to look at, he sticks with you until you give it back. They don't keep rifles laying around either.

    IOW, this wasn't a gun store and not being a serious gun owner is not a capital crime or a threat to the public
    true but you seemed to be saying his behavior was usual, and it wasn't.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    true but you seemed to be saying his behavior was usual, and it wasn't.
    His behavior was not "the norm", but it in no way indicates mental illness, intoxication, lack of capacity or any sort of threat or intimidation.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    His behavior was not "the norm", but it in no way indicates mental illness, intoxication, lack of capacity or any sort of threat or intimidation.
    It was concerning enough for someone to call 911. Is he wrong too? I mean, he was there, he described actions, like fumbling and trying to load a gun and pointing it at people. He was there, as were the police. Their perceptions are at least worth considering, even if you choose to judge what you see and hear on a video.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    His behavior was not "the norm", but it in no way indicates mental illness, intoxication, lack of capacity or any sort of threat or intimidation.
    Nice opinion, and where did you obtain your medical, law enforcement, and legal education?

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    There should be a national inquiry into overzealous police, SWAT teams, and just who has the authority over these SWAT teams. I understand that this was not a SWAT team in Walmart but they certainly behaved like one.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It was concerning enough for someone to call 911. Is he wrong too? I mean, he was there, he described actions, like fumbling and trying to load a gun and pointing it at people. He was there, as were the police. Their perceptions are at least worth considering, even if you choose to judge what you see and hear on a video.
    Not only that, but a Walmart associate had alerted management, and a manager was already en route to the goofy kid to let him know he couldn't walk around the store waving a gun around. Anyone who says this is perfectly normal behavior is simply arguing for the sake of it, or political points. Clearly, this was far, far from normal behavior.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    The man who called 911 is the only person who was impaired and/or has a mental disability. Does anyone know if the caller was drug tested? At best he has a disability which prevents him from seeing and being able to ascertain what's happening in the real world because of hallucinations. At worse he's a sociopath who deliberately escalated this situation that lead to an innocent person's death.
    Actually, this is not true at all. People in stressful situations, without any drugs or impairments, have been shown to see things that didn't happen. Many times they see what they expect to see instead of what actually happens, which is why eye witness accounts are becoming less reliable as evidence.

    It is possible that he lied on purpose, but that would have to be proven, not just speculated. It is also possible that he could be on drugs or have some mental impairment, however, that isn't the only possibility.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    The man who called 911 is the only person who was impaired and/or has a mental disability. Does anyone know if the caller was drug tested? At best he has a disability which prevents him from seeing and being able to ascertain what's happening in the real world because of hallucinations. At worse he's a sociopath who deliberately escalated this situation that lead to an innocent person's death.
    That witness is now admitting he lied.

    Walmart Shooting: Lone 911 Caller Admits Lie, Crawford Never Pointed 'Gun'

    Ritchie also told the 911 operator that he saw Crawford loading bullets into the supposed weapon, which clearly would have been impossible given that the toy was not a real gun.

    But now Ritchie is telling a very different story. In an interview with The Guardian newspaper Sunday, Ritchie said that “at no point did he shoulder the rifle and point it at somebody."


    In his round of media interviews, Ritchie told reporters that he was “an ex-Marine.”

    The truth is that Ritchie was expelled from the Marine Corps after just seven weeks because his enlistment was determined to be “fraudulent.” Ritchie now says that the debacle was simply the result of bad paperwork.
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