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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Looked like he could have been attempting to load it to me. And since we cant see off camera, it's hard to say he didnt point it at anyone. The caller may have been able to see those things better than the video.
    I agree about the loading. I shouldn't have included that. But if you watch the video with the audio, the caller claims that Crawford "just pointed the gun at like two children". The video shows that when the caller said this, Crawford was and had been motionless.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Because when you talk about how something appeared, you're referring to something you saw or heard.

    I noticed you don't state anything specific that he did. What "fumbling" are you talking about? What specific actions of his looked inept or aimless or confused. What specifically did he do that no other adult in their proper frame of mind would do?

    And why does confusion, fumbling, ineptness suggest mental illness to you? There are plenty of people who are not mentally ill who are inept, confused, aimless, etc at times.
    My my my. I'm getting the third degree here. I'm not playing. If you dont like my 'opinion' and my statements on what I saw, you can ignore them.

    I also said possibly 'impaired.' I did not, nor do I now, consider his actions seen on the video as remotely the normal actions of an adult in a retail store.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well then when they see a gun, they will assume it is loaded.

    Yes, I've been told now that the airgun was available.

    That is your opinion....not mine...regarding his behavior.
    I didn't ask what your opinion is. I already know what your opinion is because you stated it

    I asked what facts your opinion is based on. Specifically, which specific actions of Crawford's suggest mental illness.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I agree about the loading. I shouldn't have included that. But if you watch the video with the audio, the caller claims that Crawford "just pointed the gun at like two children". The video shows that when the caller said this, Crawford was and had been motionless.
    He may have seen something wrong. We just don't know what kind of view he had. Plus, people do get things wrong. Our brains can convince us we see things that didn't actually happen, only what we think is happening or might have happened. This is why eyewitness accounts of events are being seen as less reliable than they have been in the past. People aren't necessarily lying about what they saw, because they believe they saw it, they just really didn't.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Look at my first post. I had no idea the guy was on the phone until after reading more about this. And what conversation keeps a person in the same place for over 5 minutes, swinging a gun back and forth. He didn't even appear to pick up anything from the shelves. This was odd behavior. Is that something to get shot for? No. But it does kind of add to where confusion about the situation can come from.
    I see that sort of thing in stores all the time. Someone on the phone with their spouse asking which brand of toilet paper to buy, etc
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    My my my. I'm getting the third degree here. I'm not playing. If you dont like my 'opinion' and my statements on what I saw, you can ignore them.

    I also said possibly 'impaired.' I did not, nor do I now, consider his actions seen on the video as remotely the normal actions of an adult in a retail store.
    Lursa, I have been very polite to you. I have not insulted you or attacked you. I merely asked you to explain what facts your opinion was based on.

    If you think that's a "third degree", I disagree.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    He may have seen something wrong. We just don't know what kind of view he had. Plus, people do get things wrong. Our brains can convince us we see things that didn't actually happen, only what we think is happening or might have happened. This is why eyewitness accounts of events are being seen as less reliable than they have been in the past. People aren't necessarily lying about what they saw, because they believe they saw it, they just really didn't.
    I don't think he was lying. I just think he was incredibly wrong, and his misperceptions led to a tragedy
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see that sort of thing in stores all the time. Someone on the phone with their spouse asking which brand of toilet paper to buy, etc
    Usually, if you are asking which brand to buy, you are also picking them up to check them out, not just staring at them. But the point is, to other people, this can appear to be odd behavior, particularly if the person has a weapon in their hand. Our brains are odd. We may consider things that would go unnoticed otherwise strange when those things/behaviors are coupled with other out of place behaviors, such as carrying a weapon/gun around a store.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    He may have seen something wrong. We just don't know what kind of view he had. Plus, people do get things wrong. Our brains can convince us we see things that didn't actually happen, only what we think is happening or might have happened. This is why eyewitness accounts of events are being seen as less reliable than they have been in the past. People aren't necessarily lying about what they saw, because they believe they saw it, they just really didn't.
    Exactly, add in that the caller was far away, and likely in fear and it gets even more difficult.
    I dont expect people who call 911 to report a man with a gun in a store to know the full story-frankly thats not their job.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Specifically, which specific actions of Crawford's suggest mental illness.
    You need help with that?

    1. Thinking it's a good idea to walk around with an air gun that looks like a firearm.
    2. Picking up an air gun left out at Walmart and walking around with it.
    3. Any sort of swinging it about or even having the barrel pointed in any direction other than 'safe'.
    4. Not immediately dropping the gun when confronted by police with weapons drawn.

    The whole thing is like a kid that didn't understand what was going on and thought he was being arrested for shoplifting.
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