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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    That's a real weapon... not the toy the guy was carrying.
    It was a weapon capable of killing an adult with one shot...and has in the past.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    I saw him do all those things...or at least *I believe* I did.
    Point out the exact second on the surveillance that he does point or reload anything. I, and several other posters, have already done second by second analysis showing at no point was either of those actions done.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    Didn't we pass a law a while back where all air rifles that look even remotely "assault like" have orange tips? I'm not sure how you miss that...

    I don't know why people insist on perpetuating this lame meme. Toy guns have orange tips, real guns do not. Why is this concept so difficult for some to grasp? No law was passed concerning real guns and orange tips. I can draw you a picture if you like.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How do you know he didnt report exactly what he saw? Everything or at least most of what he said was borne out by the tape...the man's activity, pointing at specific people, etc.
    Actually, the recording contradicts much of what he reported. particularly the most threatening sounding claims (e he loaded the weapon, he pointed it at two children)
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    That's a real weapon... not the toy the guy was carrying.
    For the millionth time. A PELLET GUN IS NOT A TOY. YELLO, YELLO?

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    According to the article, the gun was supposed to be wrapped (shrink wrap?) and in its box. It was not, it was sitting out in the open which is against store policy.

    We don't know if the young man would have opened a box and removed the wrapping, but I'm guessing he would not have.

    I don't get why it is important for you to ignore this factor.
    I agree that it's relevant but would the police be aware of policy? Would they have been informed/had time to find out?
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    Mischaracterizing my argument is weaksauce, particularly when I've clearly stated my argument.

    At no point did the man threaten the officers or anyone in the store. If he isn't a threat, there's no reason to shoot.

    And by the way, you're ignoring the simple fact that even if he was carrying a loaded weapon, he has to the right too in Ohio.
    If that airgun was loaded, it was a threat.

    How could the police know if it was or wasnt? If they were informed by 911 then the info they got was that it was loaded and it had been pointed at people (a threat).
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's difficult enough, and against the rules, to dissuade someone of limited capacity (for whatever reason) from attempting to do so. The gun being easily available presumably contributed to the tragedy. Wanna bet, Walmart gets sued?
    Did Walmart sell him that airgun? I didnt see that confirmed.

    But the man, to me, seemed mentally ill. It seriously contributed to his death. Was this apparent to a Walmart salesperson if/when he purchased the airgun?

    (Even the cops cant ascertain this sort of thing much of the time...are we now asking Walmart sales staff to do so?)
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    If that airgun was loaded, it was a threat.

    How could the police know if it was or wasnt? If they were informed by 911 then the info they got was that it was loaded and it had been pointed at people (a threat).
    Police are trained to assess a situation based on the facts they observe and not believe and rely on reports that are called in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Did Walmart sell him that airgun? I didnt see that confirmed.

    But the man, to me, seemed mentally ill. It seriously contributed to his death. Was this apparent to a Walmart salesperson if/when he purchased the airgun?

    (Even the cops cant ascertain this sort of thing much of the time...are we now asking Walmart sales staff to do so?)
    Walmart didn't sell him the gun. If Walmart is sued, it will be because the gun was not boxed.

    As far as Crawford being mentally ill, there is no evidence that he was nor was his behavior indicative of mental illness.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Are you really trying to argue that not following an anti-theft policy is a safety hazard?
    Well it seems so in this case, as it got the guy killed. Not only that, if he did load it as claimed, he was a safety hazard to others. The man IMO was mentally ill.

    May I ask...completely neutrally...was it confirmed he bought the airgun at that Walmart that day?
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