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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You see these characteristics of the MK-177 (the bb/ pellet rifle in question)? This is a toy:

    •Caliber: .177
    •Length of pull: 12"
    •Cocking effort: 12-14 lbs
    •Barrel length: 16.75"
    •Overall length: 33"
    •Weight: 3 lbs 5 oz


    My air rifles are usually 7-12 pounds, with a 25-35 pound cocking effort, and length of pull is adult size.
    By the way, this is from the same page as the "characteristics" you listed.

    NOT A TOY. ADULT SUPERVISION REQUIRED. MISUSE OR CARELESS USE MAY CAUSE SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH. BE CAREFUL, SHOOT SAFELY.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Yes, indeed, most mothers who supposedly feel threatened, with two small children in tow, will reenter a store where a lunatic is supposedly threatening people with a rifle. And you call bull? That's hilarious.
    Are you unaware of varying levels of threat that people can feel? You don't have to feel that you are personally in imminent danger of losing your life to still feel threatened. Life isn't black or white, no matter how much you may want it to be. She didn't go back or allow her children to go back to the area. She didn't stay in the garden section long enough to have intended to go there before seeing the guy, so it is obvious that it is the guy with the gun that prompted her to go there to begin with. We don't know why she went back in the store, possibly because she wasn't getting any help from the staff, no one else seemed to care, maybe she couldn't find anyone else that could deal with it, maybe they said they knew about him already and that alleviated enough fear for her to return to the store, but walk away from the man. We simply don't know. But saying that she didn't see him or wasn't worried/threatened by him at all is not the case from what is in that video.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Are you unaware of varying levels of threat that people can feel? You don't have to feel that you are personally in imminent danger of losing your life to still feel threatened. Life isn't black or white, no matter how much you may want it to be. She didn't go back or allow her children to go back to the area. She didn't stay in the garden section long enough to have intended to go there before seeing the guy, so it is obvious that it is the guy with the gun that prompted her to go there to begin with. We don't know why she went back in the store, possibly because she wasn't getting any help from the staff, no one else seemed to care, maybe she couldn't find anyone else that could deal with it, maybe they said they knew about him already and that alleviated enough fear for her to return to the store, but walk away from the man. We simply don't know. But saying that she didn't see him or wasn't worried/threatened by him at all is not the case from what is in that video.
    Isn't the woman in the video with the two kids, the same one who later died of cardiac arrest? I read that in one account, but admittedly, some of the "news stories" are sketchy.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Isn't the woman in the video with the two kids, the same one who later died of cardiac arrest? I read that in one account, but admittedly, some of the "news stories" are sketchy.
    No idea. Haven't looked that far into this only knew that someone else was reported to have died of a heart attack or something
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm guessing. How does an adult not drop the gun when confronted by police pointing guns?

    If cops point at me and say "drop it", I'll drop a baby - I ain't gettin' shot.
    It should be noted that the cops didn't really give time for the guy to drop the gun. They said drop it, then shot. Maybe 2 seconds in between the words and the shooting. It would take that long at least for the brain to process such information of what was being said and what the guy was seeing into action. You can hear in the video the cops telling the guy to drop it and see the result of what happened after those words were said. I believe that the cops didn't give the guy enough time to actually drop the air gun. That said I don't blame the cops either as noted in a previous post.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Are you unaware of varying levels of threat that people can feel? You don't have to feel that you are personally in imminent danger of losing your life to still feel threatened. Life isn't black or white, no matter how much you may want it to be. She didn't go back or allow her children to go back to the area. She didn't stay in the garden section long enough to have intended to go there before seeing the guy, so it is obvious that it is the guy with the gun that prompted her to go there to begin with. We don't know why she went back in the store, possibly because she wasn't getting any help from the staff, no one else seemed to care, maybe she couldn't find anyone else that could deal with it, maybe they said they knew about him already and that alleviated enough fear for her to return to the store, but walk away from the man. We simply don't know. But saying that she didn't see him or wasn't worried/threatened by him at all is not the case from what is in that video.

    Do you feel threatened when your wife is cutting onions?

    could a person shoot you? yes...... Could a person stab you?

    Funny how people are relaxed around deadly weapons unless its a gun.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Do you feel threatened when your wife is cutting onions?

    could a person shoot you? yes...... Could a person stab you?

    Funny how people are relaxed around deadly weapons unless its a gun.
    I have a husband, not a wife. And there is also a difference between a person we know and trust and a stranger who has a weapon. I am not "relaxed" around most deadly weapons, especially when I don't know the person using them, for many reasons, depending on the person who has it. I would feel threatened by someone who was walking around a WalMart with a knife, swinging it casually around. Even friends can accidentally shoot you or just hurt you with a knife or other weapon. I've known someone who was shot in the neck by a friend who was getting ready to clean his guns. I've known people who were cut while trying to get another person loose from rotating equipment. These are times when those people trusted those others completely with the deadly weapons and still got injured. We know the intent of our friends and loved ones, most of the time. We don't know the intent of strangers, especially not when they have weapons in places where we don't expect to see them, aren't used to seeing them. And people tend to notice things that are "out of place" to them. We are also being trained to notice things that look suspicious. Even public buses say to tell the driver or contact someone if you see something suspicious, especially unattended bags. The military practically drills it into us.

    Heck, I noticed the guy who had 20 something rolls, different sizes and colors, of duct tape and was weary of getting too close to him. I tend to be a worrier. But I'm also pretty practical about my worries. I would try to find someone who worked there at the store if I saw someone with either a knife or a gun out, waving it around. I would inform them. Depending on the person, I might call the police if I saw anything suspicious about them and didn't think the employees were doing what they should be doing, such as they were threatening or yelling at other people or doing something aggressive even if not toward other people at that time. I would likely do it if they were merely talking to themselves or saying things out loud that made absolutely no sense. I wouldn't stay in the area with a person who had either. I would definitely stay away from and keep my kids away from that person. That doesn't mean that I would immediately run off screaming or get hysterical about it.

    I'm not saying that anyone should have necessarily called the cops on this guy just for having a gun, but not everyone views threats the same as everyone else does. And not everyone is going to behave the same way given a situation like this.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It should be noted that the cops didn't really give time for the guy to drop the gun. They said drop it, then shot. Maybe 2 seconds in between the words and the shooting. It would take that long at least for the brain to process such information of what was being said and what the guy was seeing into action. You can hear in the video the cops telling the guy to drop it and see the result of what happened after those words were said. I believe that the cops didn't give the guy enough time to actually drop the air gun. That said I don't blame the cops either as noted in a previous post.
    For me, 2 seconds would be plenty. By the second second, the baby would be on the ground.

    But seriously, we don't know if that was the only "drop it" said/yelled by the cops.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    For me, 2 seconds would be plenty. By the second second, the baby would be on the ground.

    But seriously, we don't know if that was the only "drop it" said/yelled by the cops.
    Actually, we do know that it was the only "Drop the gun" yelled by the cops.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, we do know that it was the only "Drop the gun" yelled by the cops.
    While I was away from the thread, audio was obtained covering the entire approach?

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