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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Actually he said, it looks like he's trying to load it. And it did. I do think he exaggerated when he stated that he pointed it at the kids. But he was waving it around carelessly. A pellet rifle is no toy and could seriously injure or kill someone. Besides, this gun was designed to look like a real rifle.
    You see these characteristics of the MK-177 (the bb/ pellet rifle in question)? This is a toy:

    •Caliber: .177
    •Length of pull: 12"
    •Cocking effort: 12-14 lbs
    •Barrel length: 16.75"
    •Overall length: 33"
    •Weight: 3 lbs 5 oz


    My air rifles are usually 7-12 pounds, with a 25-35 pound cocking effort, and length of pull is adult size.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    And it was also a grown man being a moron.
    Are we sure there is not disability? I don't get how an adult fails to drop the gun.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Are we sure there is not disability? I don't get how an adult fails to drop the gun.
    So, are you thinking he was retarded? Have you seen evidence of that in the media?
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    So, are you thinking he was retarded? Have you seen evidence of that in the media?
    I'm guessing. How does an adult not drop the gun when confronted by police pointing guns?

    If cops point at me and say "drop it", I'll drop a baby - I ain't gettin' shot.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'm guessing. How does an adult not drop the gun when confronted by police pointing guns?

    If cops point at me and say "drop it", I'll drop a baby - I ain't gettin' shot.
    I'm not either. I don't know what all happened, as I wasn't there. I do know that any adult who is of sound mind, who waves what someone would perceive as a weapon around, isn't too bright. I'm not justifying the shooting, as I think cops are getting way too jumpy and trigger-happy over the past few years, but this guy apparently had no clue.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    this guy apparently had no clue.
    Perhaps he thought he was being arrested for shoplifting as opposed to cops being in fear of their lives.

    Something like...

    Well, I was going to put it back, here, you take it...
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    You see these characteristics of the MK-177 (the bb/ pellet rifle in question)? This is a toy:

    •Caliber: .177
    •Length of pull: 12"
    •Cocking effort: 12-14 lbs
    •Barrel length: 16.75"
    •Overall length: 33"
    •Weight: 3 lbs 5 oz


    My air rifles are usually 7-12 pounds, with a 25-35 pound cocking effort, and length of pull is adult size.
    I am well aware of the specs for the pellet gun involved in this incident. You are simply wrong. No bb or pellet gun, regardless of their muzzle velocities, is a toy. End of story. You can make that claim until you're blue in the face, and you will still be wrong. Would you give a small child a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun to play with? Of course you wouldn't. That is absurd.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    I am well aware of the specs for the pellet gun involved in this incident. You are simply wrong. No bb or pellet gun, regardless of their muzzle velocities, is a toy. End of story. You can make that claim until you're blue in the face, and you will still be wrong. Would you give a small child a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun to play with? Of course you wouldn't. That is absurd.
    Compared to a pb rifle, the MK177 most certainly is a toy, and there is no comparison wrt lethality. None.
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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Would you give a small child a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun to play with? Of course you wouldn't. That is absurd.
    They'll shoot their eye out.

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    Re: No indictment in police shooting death of Ohio man carrying air rifle

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    They'll shoot their eye out.
    Exactly. And that's with a Daisy Red Ryder. A pellet rifle with a pellet velocity of 750 feet per second will do much more than that.

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