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Putin threatens wwIII? or just more propaganda?

Fearandloathing said:
And I have to disagree with the comparison to Iraq.

I missed the part where Iraqi's have a historical connection to American way of life and culture, identify as "American" as was the case in Crimea/Ukraine.

Further, Putin DID have a right to feel threatened, the CIA had stirred up **** in Kyiv and forced an illegal regime change; he had warned Bush that if the US tried to mess with Ukraine he "would tear her apart"...and now that the US did, he has.

The comparison the Russians make is that if they had created havoc in a Canadian government,. forced a change to a pro-Russian administration and Canada was intending to leave NATO, of course the UIS would send in tanks, and planes, and yes, "boots on the ground" as the US would become very damn concerned about "the longest undefended border in the world."
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First off Crimea has a bigger connection to Russian way of life than american by far. For the love of his they were a part of Russia until Russia gave it to Ukraine in the 50s against most of the peoples will...

The comparison to Iraq is simply to say if you can do it so can we. We invaded a sovereign nation unprovoked a little over ten years ago and set the precedent... Your analogy about Canada is apt, however it would never happen.... (Obviously)
 
Fearandloathing said:
Meanwhile Canada is conducting a massive boy scout gathering disguised as a Caribou hunt.

Man the barricades!
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The Pentagon already has war plans for dealing with Canada. "War Plan Canadian Bacon". supposedly it's based on the movie, "Canadian Bacon."
 
APACHERAT said:
The Pentagon already has war plans for dealing with Canada. "War Plan Canadian Bacon". supposedly it's based on the movie, "Canadian Bacon."
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Yeah, saw that.

We know of the plans, they were leaked by the CIA who wanted some good pot.

We have counter-measures. All I will say is bring a bong, plenty of lighters and mittens, we'll supply the rest
 
APACHERAT said:
Mexico could invade America within two days.

Wait a sec...

Just been informed they already have.

Never mind.
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HA so funny I forgot to laugh!

You sir, you should be a stand-up comedian.
 
It's easy for Putin to talk tough when the entirety of western civilization is run by spineless liberals. He's just having a little fun. He has nothing to worry about.
 
Montecresto said:
Really now! Can you prove he threatened WW3?
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Can you prove he didn't? Really, whether he said it or not doesn't matter. Actions speak louder than words, and Putin's actions have already betrayed his imperialist desires

b_dubz said:
I disagree. What he did in Ukraine is about the same as what we did in Iraq. He invaded a sovereign nation that had no plans to attack him. Same as Iraq.

As for NATO alliances and mutual defense agreements, you can bet your bottom dollar that if he attacked a NATO member that NATO would be forced to respond. It would breach many contracts and mutual defense agreements to do nothing...
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Moral Equivalency; the scourge of the world.

Ukraine has never been a threat to Russia like Iraq was to the ME. We didn't annex territory and keep it for ourselves, oh wait, I mean land troops in plain clothes and force the population to "vote" for annexation. And when all was said and done, we left Iraq to the Iraqis, it's clear that Putin doesn't care what Ukrainians want. Bottom line, we went into Iraq to liberate it, Russia went into Ukraine to conquer.

As far as NATO, do you really think the population of Europe would support a new war against Russia? Besides, we've learned the value of paper when Russia interfered in Ukraine's affair, which they agreed not to.
 
Van Basten said:
Putin's smarter than that.
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Is he? This is a man who essentially annexed Crimea and invaded Ukraine. A man who still adamantly denies that its happening both to his own people and the rest of the world despite ample proof to the contrary. I have no doubt that he would make such a statement if only to illustrate that it could be done and he's not at all concerned about NATO. Whether or not he would actually do it...who knows.
 
Napoleon said:
Is he? This is a man who essentially annexed Crimea and invaded Ukraine. A man who still adamantly denies that its happening both to his own people and the rest of the world despite ample proof to the contrary. I have no doubt that he would make such a statement if only to illustrate that it could be done and he's not at all concerned about NATO. Whether or not he would actually do it...who knows.
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Crimea wanted to be annexed, was a autonomous state inside of Ukraine, and was gifted to Ukraine in a grand act of imperialism by the Russians in the 50s against the majority of its peoples will... The rest of Ukrainian ppls wishes is unfortunately much less clear. If you watch Russian roulette on vice I don't know how you could come to any other conclusion about crimea.

Hamster Buddha said:
Can you prove he didn't? Really, whether he said it or not doesn't matter. Actions speak louder than words, and Putin's actions have already betrayed his imperialist desires



Moral Equivalency; the scourge of the world.

Ukraine has never been a threat to Russia like Iraq was to the ME. We didn't annex territory and keep it for ourselves, oh wait, I mean land troops in plain clothes and force the population to "vote" for annexation. And when all was said and done, we left Iraq to the Iraqis, it's clear that Putin doesn't care what Ukrainians want. Bottom line, we went into Iraq to liberate it, Russia went into Ukraine to conquer.

As far as NATO, do you really think the population of Europe would support a new war against Russia? Besides, we've learned the value of paper when Russia interfered in Ukraine's affair, which they agreed not to.
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They would have to support it if he attacked a NATO member.

And the analogy about Iraq is just about invading another sovereign nation unprovoked. Assad is/was a brutal dictator, he does not have the arms Saddam had and therefore didn't try the same madness, but he is certainly a extreme threat to his ppl... Should we topple him? How about any of the other extremely militaristic and barbaric dictators in the ME should we go topple them?
 
b_dubz said:
So their alleging in a private meeting putin threatened to invade not only Kiev, but multiple other NATO states... Frankly I think its bs (I don't think he said this, as it would hurt him in negotiations) this would certainly ignite wwIII and I don't think he's that crazy...

What do you think?

Vladimir Putin Threatens World War 3, Says Russia Could Invade Europe Within Two Days
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Putin is an authoritarian war criminal guilty not only of the illegal annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory through offensive military conquest in overt violation of the laws and customs of war but he is, also, guilty of ethnic cleansing within the Crimea and South Ossettia, I would not be surprise in the slightest if he is making threats against greater Europe especially considering he has already threatened nuclear war over the Ukraine:

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-threatened-nuclear-attack-says-ukraine-defence-minister-267842
 
b_dubz said:
Crimea wanted to be annexed, was a autonomous state inside of Ukraine, and was gifted to Ukraine in a grand act of imperialism by the Russians in the 50s against the majority of its peoples will... The rest of Ukrainian ppls wishes is unfortunately much less clear. If you watch Russian roulette on vice I don't know how you could come to any other conclusion about crimea.
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First of all, according to international law, the vast majority of the global community, the Crimean Constitution and the Constitution of Ukraine proper the Crimea is sovereign Ukrainian territory and both Constitutions require a national referendum in which all Ukrainians are allowed to participate in if territorial changes are to be made. Furthermore; the referendum was an overt war crime, it was conducted through a Russian Spec Ops installed government who were hold up in the Kiev Parliament holding Rocket Launchers and AK's during a swearing in ceremony for their so called "Prime Minister" and likewise it was conducted not only through an occupation government but through an illegal foreign military occupation as well, and the 97 Percent yay vote for secession was laughable as were the choices give IE there was no choice to maintain the status quo but only to either join Russia or be independent.
 
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b_dubz said:
That's my point isn't it. He did not say it in public. Their is no record of him saying. Just other ppl with a vested interest in making him look crazy saying he did.a
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Yes your point seems to be that several respected publications are all in on a conspiracy against po wittle Putin. :roll:
 
face said:
Yes your point seems to be that several respected publications are all in on a conspiracy against po wittle Putin. :roll:
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No I hate Putin. I just like facts, and this seems unfactual. These party's that said this have a vested interest in making him look bad... Not that he needs much help but still...

Lord knows Russia and the usa are cranking out propaganda at a alarming rate...

If you dont believe me, do you believe Gallup? In 2013 the country was basically split down the middle.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/167927/crisis-ukrainians-likely-nato-threat.aspx?ref=more

I think it still is... That's all...

face said:
Putin is an authoritarian war criminal guilty not only of the illegal annexation of sovereign Ukrainian territory through offensive military conquest in overt violation of the laws and customs of war but he is, also, guilty of ethnic cleansing within the Crimea and South Ossettia, I would not be surprise in the slightest if he is making threats against greater Europe especially considering he has already threatened nuclear war over the Ukraine:

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-has-threatened-nuclear-attack-says-ukraine-defence-minister-267842
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Ethnic cleansing? Proof? The Washington post disagrees http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...thnic-cleansing-plan-for-crimea-doesnt-exist/

face said:
First of all, according to international law, the vast majority of the global community, the Crimean Constitution and the Constitution of Ukraine proper the Crimea is sovereign Ukrainian territory and both Constitutions require a national referendum in which all Ukrainians are allowed to participate in if territorial changes are to be made. Furthermore; the referendum was an overt war crime, it was conducted through a Russian Spec Ops installed government who were hold up in the Kiev Parliament holding Rocket Launchers and AK's during a swearing in ceremony for their so called "Prime Minister" and likewise it was conducted not only through an occupation government but through an illegal foreign military occupation as well, and the 97 Percent yay vote for secession was laughable as were the choices give IE there was no choice to maintain the status quo but only to either join Russia or be independent.
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The 97% vote is laughable and the Tatars all abstained. Theirs 300,000 of em vs 2.5 mill Crimean's total however and frankly I still think they would have chosen to secede.

This sums up what I think happened in a nutshell.

[QUOTE =]there is little evidence in the report to suggest that Crimea's Russian-speaking majority would have voted any differently if conditions were less threatening to dissidents. But Simonovic's findings underscore the heavy-handed efforts used to influence the outcome of the referendum, as well as the personal risks faced by those making the case for remaining part of Ukraine.[/QUOTE]

http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/p..._and_its_allies_rigged_crimeas_secession_vote

Keep in mind Russians are 58% of the pop their, and all almost certainly would vote to rejoin Russia. Some Ukrainians are Russian leaning as well, although not many. It certainly should not have been a landslide, but they probably would have won...

America's constitution was founded on lies and propaganda to serve the rich. Most around the world followed it and therefore serve the same purpose. Both america and russia are oligarchy's... I care allot more about what ppl think, not stupid laws that were made to keep the rich rich and poor poor. I believe in direct democracy and think regardless of Russia's actions crimea would have voted this way. (Although it would have been close.)
 
b_dubz said:
No I hate Putin. I just like facts, and this seems unfactual. These party's that said this have a vested interest in making him look bad... Not that he needs much help but still...
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Who are these parties? The Telegraph and several other respected publications?
Ethnic cleansing? Proof? The Washington post disagrees Putin’s secret ethnic cleansing plan for Crimea (doesn’t exist) - The Washington Post
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The United Nations Human Rights investigators disagree with you:


The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

“They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/w...tails-casualties-in-eastern-ukraine.html?_r=0

So ya the Crimea has been ethnically cleansed under the illegal Russian occupation.

The 97% vote is laughable and the Tatars all abstained. Theirs 300,000 of em vs 2.5 mill Crimean's total however and frankly I still think they would have chosen to secede.

This sums up what I think happened in a nutshell.
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A) Do you not understand the concept that the Crimean Constitution clearly states that it is sovereign Ukrainian territory and their laws do not supercede that of the Kiev government or Constitution which clearly states that any territorial changes to the Ukraine can only be brought about through a NATIONAL referendum in which all Ukrainians get a vote.

B) This was not a legal cessation it was a annexation, the referendum was held through a foreign installed occupation government under a foreign occupation, it was no more legitimate than the ceding of territory from France to Nazi Germany through the Vichy government.

C) International law is not on your or the war criminals Putin's side and neither is the vast majority of the international community which voted overwhelming in the UNGA to declare the referendum illegitimate and to condemn it:

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

D) The only reason why the UNSC did not pass this resolution is because Russia used their permanent member status to veto it, even China abstained:

UNSC Resolution on Crimea Blocked

Keep in mind Russians are 58% of the pop their, and all almost certainly would vote to rejoin Russia. Some Ukrainians are Russian leaning as well, although not many. It certainly should not have been a landslide, but they probably would have won...
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So in your world if large hispanic heavy communities in the California, Texas, Arizona, etc voted to secede to Mexico you would call it legitimate even if they hold a bare majority? Utter rubbish this was a violation of both the Crimean and Ukrainian Constitutions, it was a violation of international law namely the prohibition of acquisition of territory through military conquest:

War of aggression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

America's constitution was founded on lies and propaganda to serve the rich. Most around the world followed it and therefore serve the same purpose. Both america and russia are oligarchy's... I care allot more about what ppl think, not stupid laws that were made to keep the rich rich and poor poor. I believe in direct democracy and think regardless of Russia's actions crimea would have voted this way. (Although it would have been close.)
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Well I'm glad you think that a referendum conducted by an occupation government under a foreign occupation for annexation into the occupying nation is legitimate; fortunately the Geneva Conventions and International Community disagrees with you, the Crimea is occupied sovereign Ukrainian territory, it is not a debate it is the law.
 
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B_Dubz said:
Lord knows Russia and the usa are cranking out propaganda at a alarming rate...

If you dont believe me, do you believe Gallup? In 2013 the country was basically split down the middle.

Before Crisis, Ukrainians More Likely to See NATO as a Threat

I think it still is... That's all...
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A plurality supported entrance into the EU Agreement and the Euromaidan protests:

Public opinion about Euromaidan

According to December 2013 polls (by three different pollsters) between 45% and 50% of Ukrainians supported Euromaidan, while between 42% and 50% opposed it.[127][128][129] The biggest support for the protest can be found in Kiev (about 75%) and western Ukraine (more than 80%).[127][130] Among Euromaidan protesters, 55% are from the west of the country, with 24% from central Ukraine and 21% from the east.[131]

In a poll taken on 7–8 December, 73% of protesters had committed to continue protesting in Kiev as long as needed until their demands are fulfilled.[6] This number has increased to 82% as of 3 February 2014.[131] Polls also show that the nation is divided in age: while majority of young people are pro-EU, older generations (50 and above) more often prefer the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia.[132] More than 41% of protesters are ready to take part in the seizure of administrative buildings as of February, compared to 13 and 19 percent during polls on 10 and 20 December 2013. At the same time, more than 50 percent are ready to take part in the creation of independent military units, compared to 15 and 21 percent during the past studies, respectively.[131]

Headquarters of the Euromaidan. At the front entrance there is a portrait of Stepan Bandera - fighter for the independence of Ukraine.

According to a January poll, 45% of Ukrainians supported the protests, and 48% of Ukrainians disapproved of Euromaidan.[133]

In a March poll, 57% of Ukrainians said they supported the Euromaidan protests.[134]

Public opinion about joining the EU

According to an August 2013 study by a Donetsk company, Research & Branding Group,[135] 49% of Ukrainians supported signing the Association Agreement, while 31% opposed it and the rest had not decided yet. However, in a December poll by the same company, only 30% claimed that terms of the Association agreement would be beneficial for the Ukrainian economy, while 39% said they were unfavourable for Ukraine. In the same poll, only 30% said the opposition would be able to stabilise the society and govern the country well, if coming to power, while 37% disagreed.[136]

Authors of the GfK Ukraine poll conducted 2–15 October 2013 claim that 45% of respondents believed Ukraine should sign an Association Agreement with the EU, whereas only 14% favoured joining the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Russia, and 15% preferred non-alignment. Full text of the EU-related question asked by GfK reads, "Should Ukraine sign the EU-Ukraine Association Agreement, and, in the future, become an EU member?"[137][138]

Another poll conducted in November by IFAK Ukraine for DW-Trend showed 58% of Ukrainians supporting the country's entry into the European Union.[139] On the other hand a November 2013 poll by Kyiv International Institute of Sociology showed 39% supporting the country's entry into the European Union and 37% supporting Ukraine's accession to the Customs Union of Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russia.[140]


In December 2013, then Prime Minister of Ukraine Mykola Azarov refuted the pro-EU poll numbers claiming that many polls posed questions about Ukraine joining the EU, and that Ukraine had never been invited to join the Union, but only to sign the Association Agreement.[141][142]


Euromaidan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
The origin sin of Putin is he abandons the dollar in oil trading. That offends the US. Remember Gaddafi and Saddam? That's what US will do to deal with Putin.

This thread is part of US strategy to tarnish Putin like what they have done to Gaddafi and Saddam. US is the terrorist of the world.
 
face said:
Who are these parties? The Telegraph and several other respected publications?


The United Nations Human Rights investigators disagree with you:


The United Nations refugee agency has reported that more than 34,000 Ukrainians have been displaced. Most were from Crimea, where people who speak Ukrainian or do not want to change their nationality to Russian face discrimination and intimidation, Mr. Magazzeni said.

“They are mostly concerned about security: people report staying in cellars to keep away from the fighting, facing harassment at checkpoints and fearing the increasingly common abductions, threats and extortion,” the monitors reported.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/w...tails-casualties-in-eastern-ukraine.html?_r=0

So ya the Crimea has been ethnically cleansed under the illegal Russian occupation.



A) Do you not understand the concept that the Crimean Constitution clearly states that it is sovereign Ukrainian territory and their laws do not supercede that of the Kiev government or Constitution which clearly states that any territorial changes to the Ukraine can only be brought about through a NATIONAL referendum in which all Ukrainians get a vote.

B) This was not a legal cessation it was a annexation, the referendum was held through a foreign installed occupation government under a foreign occupation, it was no more legitimate than the ceding of territory from France to Nazi Germany through the Vichy government.

C) International law is not on your or the war criminals Putin's side and neither is the vast majority of the international community which voted overwhelming in the UNGA to declare the referendum illegitimate and to condemn it:

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

D) The only reason why the UNSC did not pass this resolution is because Russia used their permanent member status to veto it, even China abstained:

UNSC Resolution on Crimea Blocked



So in your world if large hispanic heavy communities in the California, Texas, Arizona, etc voted to secede to Mexico you would call it legitimate even if they hold a bare majority? Utter rubbish this was a violation of both the Crimean and Ukrainian Constitutions, it was a violation of international law namely the prohibition of acquisition of territory through military conquest:

War of aggression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Well I'm glad you think that a referendum conducted by an occupation government under a foreign occupation for annexation into the occupying nation is legitimate; fortunately the Geneva Conventions and International Community disagrees with you, the Crimea is occupied sovereign Ukrainian territory, it is not a debate it is the law.
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First off the media is full of it and bought off by the rich. Everyone knows it. If you don't your just ignorant or haven't been paying attention. That would include the telegraph an any other mass media source.

I never said it was legal, I said I thought it would have passed either way.

I care more about what the people of The region actually think, not what bs laws made by various oligarchs say... I thought I made that clear...

And what about all the 54 country's that abstained? And the 24 states that wernt present? Obviously not everybody feels the same about it...

Nothing is as it seems on either side.
 
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b_dubz said:
First off the media is full of it and bought off by the rich. Everyone knows it. If you don't your just ignorant or haven't been paying attention. That would include the telegraph an any other mass media source.
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You have yet to provide a single scrap of evidence that what the completely legitimate and well respected news sources was false.

I never said it was legal, I said I thought it would have passed either way.

I care more about what the people of The region actually think, not what bs laws made by various oligarchs say... I thought I made that clear...
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So a) you are an extreme nationalist who believes that ethnic divisions should be the basis for the state, b) you believe illegal referendums under a tyranny of the majority should be followed, and c) you support overt war crimes IE the annexation of sovereign territory through offensive military conquest and occupation, as well as, the ethnic cleansing that followed, good to know.

And what about all the 54 country's that abstained? And the 24 states that wernt present? Obviously not everybody feels the same about it...

Nothing is as it seems on either side.
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A) They are outnumbered by 100 who voted for it.

B) An abstention or absent vote is as good as a yay vote when it is clear that the resolution was going to pass.

C) Only 11 countries voted against the resolutions and every single one of them is an authoritarian or a totalitarian regime, every single liberal democracy on the planet voted for the resolution.
 
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face said:
You have yet to provide a single scrap of evidence that what the completely legitimate and well respected news sources was false.



So a) you are an extreme nationalist who believes that ethnic divisions should be the basis for the state, b) you believe illegal referendums under a tyranny of the majority should be followed, good to know, and c) you support overt war crimes IE the annexation of sovereign territory through offensive military conquest and occupation.
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They provide it in the text. Do you not know what "alleged" means??

No dummy I support the will of the ppl. The ppl of Crimea would have voted this way anyway IMO. I provided you with plenty of proof for that. Crimea was 58% Russian speaking before Russia got involved. Theirfore that's how they would have voted.

Also I think how crimea joined the Ukraine (being gifted in a grand act of imperialism) was illegal to....

I'm and I'm anything but a nationalist
I'm a populist.
 
Beaudreaux said:
It was widely reported last week, when he made the claim. He said, basically, that he could take the capitals of the Balkans and the Baltic states in two days if he wanted to, during an interview about Ukraine peace talks. I don't think it was a threat of intended action, as much as a boast of what he felt they could do if they wanted to, so in comparison to take Kiev, Ukraine would be a walk in the park. It was just Putin peeing an a rock to mark his territory like a feral dog and rattle his sabre during the peace talks to be an arrogant bully. Nothing more, IMHO.
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Presuming he did say it...

Yes, he could take the Balkan capitals within two days. But, could he keep them?
 
b_dubz said:
They provide it in the text. Do you not know what "alleged" means??
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If you read the source they have two citations of people saying that Putin said basically the same thing, I have likewise provided another source where Putin threatened nuclear war.

No dummy I support the will of the ppl. The ppl of Crimea would have voted this way anyway IMO. I provided you with plenty of proof for that. Crimea was 58% Russian speaking before Russia got involved. Theirfore that's how they would have voted.
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No you clearly support ethnic divisions for the basis of the state, you further support a tyranny of the majority within arbitrary territorial divisions regardless of the feelings of the majority of the nation-state which has sovereign over said territory you are likewise clearly in favor of overt war crimes which have been outlawed since the Reich and Nuremberg, and you are opposed to both Constitutional governance within a democratic framework.

Also I think how crimea joined the Ukraine (being gifted in a grand act of imperialism) was illegal to....

I'm and I'm anything but a nationalist
I'm a populist.
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Sir you are in support of the division of Crimea which is sovereign Ukrainian territory along ethnic lines, it is as clear as day, you are not just a nationalist but a radical nationalist.

And what about all the 54 country's that abstained? And the 24 states that wernt present? Obviously not everybody feels the same about it...

Nothing is as it seems on either side.
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A) They are outnumbered by 100 who voted for it.

B) An abstention or absent vote is as good as a yay vote when it is clear that the resolution was going to pass.

C) Only 11 countries voted against the resolutions and every single one of them is an authoritarian or a totalitarian regime, every single liberal democracy on the planet voted for the resolution.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Given the persona he portrays, I have no problem not only believing that he said it, but that he wanted it leaked.

Of course he could. At this time anyway. Hard to say. Depends on how much each side was willing to risk.
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I would not put it past him to have said it, and for the reason you state. It very well could have been a "tactical leak".

I'm speculating, but I don't think NATO would defend Ukraine, but I do think they would defend the Balkans. I sense Putin knows this. Like I said, speculation on my part.

As things stand now, subject to change. Putin does seem to be becoming more emboldened by his successes.
 
face said:
If you read the source they have two citations of people saying that Putin said basically the same thing, I have likewise provided another source where Putin threatened nuclear war.



No you clearly support ethnic divisions for the basis of the state, you further support a tyranny of the majority within arbitrary territorial divisions regardless of the feelings of the majority of the nation-state which has sovereign over said territory you are likewise clearly in favor of overt war crimes which have been outlawed since the Reich and Nuremberg, and you are opposed to both Constitutional governance within a democratic framework.



Sir you are in support of the division of Crimea which is sovereign Ukrainian territory along ethnic lines, it is as clear as day, you are not just a nationalist but a radical nationalist.



A) They are outnumbered by 100 who voted for it.

B) An abstention or absent vote is as good as a yay vote when it is clear that the resolution was going to pass.

C) Only 11 countries voted against the resolutions and every single one of them is an authoritarian or a totalitarian regime, every single liberal democracy on the planet voted for the resolution.
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First of all the link you gave had others saying Putin threatened nukes.... Not him actually saying it...

Second ppl saying somebody said something and somebody saying something are two very different things.

Third I do not support ethnic divisions of any sort. I support THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. Actually I am totally against racism, and think its one of the few things the ppl should not b able to vote for. I think hate speech should be a jailable offense for example...

who is outnumbered? Proof? No? Ok then.

Again I am not a nationalist. I am a populist. if you don't know the diff that's not my issue.

If this were in dvorscheck i would say its wrong as I don't think they have majority their. In crimea I think they do.
 
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