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Putin threatens wwIII? or just more propaganda?

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Can't see that the claim is substantiated in the link. And yes, it would be clearly a ridiculous notion.

It was widely reported last week, when he made the claim. He said, basically, that he could take the capitals of the Balkans and the Baltic states in two days if he wanted to, during an interview about Ukraine peace talks. I don't think it was a threat of intended action, as much as a boast of what he felt they could do if they wanted to, so in comparison to take Kiev, Ukraine would be a walk in the park. It was just Putin peeing an a rock to mark his territory like a feral dog and rattle his sabre during the peace talks to be an arrogant bully. Nothing more, IMHO.
 
Seriously? The Inquistr? Damn man.
Seems to be the first place to pick it up that is not in German (don't speak German) and no I don't like the inquistr either... Its the first place I saw it at least.
Can't see that the claim is substantiated in the link. And yes, it would be clearly a ridiculous notion.
They say allegedly multiple times. Wouldn't call that "substantiated" by any means.
 
It was widely reported last week, when he made the claim. He said, basically, that he could take the capitals of the Balkans and the Baltic states in two days if he wanted to, during an interview about Ukraine peace talks. I don't think it was a threat of intended action, as much as a boast of what he felt they could do if they wanted to, so in comparison to take Kiev, Ukraine would be a walk in the park. It was just Putin peeing an a rock to mark his territory like a feral dog and rattle his sabre during the peace talks to be an arrogant bully. Nothing more, IMHO.
My question was more if he actually said it, or if its just western propaganda. I would go with the latter, as I don't think he is that insane, and that sort of speech during a peace talk does not help him, as these actions would force NATOs hand in that region, including Ukraine. It would not give him any advantage in negotiations, and probably hurt him imo...
 
Seems to be the first place to pick it up that is not in German (don't speak German) and no I don't like the inquistr either... Its the first place I saw it at least.

They say allegedly multiple times. Wouldn't call that "substantiated" by any means.

It is one of the most famous tabloid magazines in the world.
 
My question was more if he actually said it, or if its just western propaganda. I would go with the latter, as I don't think he is that insane, and that sort of speech during a peace talk does not help him, as these actions would force NATOs hand in that region, including Ukraine. It would not give him any advantage in negotiations, and probably hurt him imo...

It happened. He said it; Let me google that for you.
 
It is one of the most famous tabloid magazines in the world.
Did not know that, but it does seem to be the source of the story in english (or maybe the telegraph) which as @beaudreaux said was picked up by multiple other MM news sources. So are you saying he did not (I would agree with you if you did, that's kinda my whole point...)
 
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That's my point isn't it. He did not say it in public. Their is no record of him saying. Just other ppl with a vested interest in making him look crazy saying he did.a

That's what's great about the human mind. Think and believe what you wish to think and believe. It doesn't matter to me if he said it or not. Even if he did, which I have no problem believing that he would say such a thing, it would only be him posturing.
 
Mexico could invade America within two days.

Wait a sec...

Just been informed they already have.

Never mind.
 
That's what's great about the human mind. Think and believe what you wish to think and believe. It doesn't matter to me if he said it or not. Even if he did, which I have no problem believing that he would say such a thing, it would only be him posturing.
But what would be the point? It would only hurt his position at the negotiating table, he didn't say it in public so it doesn't really make him look strong to the Russian populace, which does not matter because he stole his elections... So why would he do it?
 
Putin has already threatened in public during the NATO summit that he would use his nukes on the west as well as take Kiev in two weeks. It's quite clear Putin will always be on an offensive war footing--just as it is clear the Putin apologists will be out in force across the world .
 
Putin has already threatened in public during the NATO summit that he would use his nukes on the west as well as take Kiev in two weeks. It's quite clear Putin will always be on an offensive war footing--just as it is clear the Putin apologists will be out in force across the world .
No ones apologizing for Putin. I'm interested in fact. I was one of the first ppl to realize he had troupes on the ground in Ukraine, as did anyone else that watched vices Russian roulette coverage as it came out.

He also (to my knowledge) never threatened nukes on the west directly. He talked about Russia's enemy's and nuclear defense systems. This was a indirect threat.

Talking about invading Ukraine is one thing. Talking about invading members of the EU and NATO is a whole different pig, and a obvious way to start wwIII. big difference...
 
Mexico could invade America within two days.

Wait a sec...

Just been informed they already have.

Never mind.

Just popping in for a lil' Mexican hate are we?
 
So their alleging in a private meeting putin threatened to invade not only Kiev, but multiple other NATO states... Frankly I think its bs (I don't think he said this, as it would hurt him in negotiations) this would certainly ignite wwIII and I don't think he's that crazy...

What do you think?

Vladimir Putin Threatens World War 3, Says Russia Could Invade Europe Within Two Days

It's not shocking. It's a well known fact that Vladimir Putin (Former KGB Master Spy) has longed for the grand ole days of the Soviet Union. This is the same guy who stated that the fall of the Soviet Union was "one of the great tragedies of the 20th century." He even made specific reference to the breaking up of territories. If he thought he could get away with it, he'd carry out the threats.

Can't see that the claim is substantiated in the link. And yes, it would be clearly a ridiculous notion.

You would be the first one to jump to Putin's defense...

It was widely reported last week, when he made the claim. He said, basically, that he could take the capitals of the Balkans and the Baltic states in two days if he wanted to, during an interview about Ukraine peace talks. I don't think it was a threat of intended action, as much as a boast of what he felt they could do if they wanted to, so in comparison to take Kiev, Ukraine would be a walk in the park. It was just Putin peeing an a rock to mark his territory like a feral dog and rattle his sabre during the peace talks to be an arrogant bully. Nothing more, IMHO.

Whether or not it was originally meant as a boast, there's no way that those countries that he talked about didn't take it as a threat, and considering his history, it's one they should take seriously.

But what would be the point? It would only hurt his position at the negotiating table, he didn't say it in public so it doesn't really make him look strong to the Russian populace, which does not matter because he stole his elections... So why would he do it?

Bottom line, Putin knows he can get away with just about anything at this point. Honestly, how far could he push before we'd be forced to respond? I don't think Europe or America is going to go to war over Kiev or even Baltic NATO allies.
 
Bottom line, Putin knows he can get away with just about anything at this point. Honestly, how far could he push before we'd be forced to respond? I don't think Europe or America is going to go to war over Kiev or even Baltic NATO allies.

I disagree. What he did in Ukraine is about the same as what we did in Iraq. He invaded a sovereign nation that had no plans to attack him. Same as Iraq.

As for NATO alliances and mutual defense agreements, you can bet your bottom dollar that if he attacked a NATO member that NATO would be forced to respond. It would breach many contracts and mutual defense agreements to do nothing...
 
Just popping in for a lil' Mexican hate are we?

The National Reconnaissance Office reported that there were 20,000 taco trucks conducting maneuvers out in the Mexican Sonoran Desert.

Should we be concerned ?
 
So their alleging in a private meeting putin threatened to invade not only Kiev, but multiple other NATO states... Frankly I think its bs (I don't think he said this, as it would hurt him in negotiations) this would certainly ignite wwIII and I don't think he's that crazy...

What do you think?

Vladimir Putin Threatens World War 3, Says Russia Could Invade Europe Within Two Days



Here's what I think....Bull. ****.

Vladimir Putin allegedly threatened World War 3 during talks about Ukraine, claiming that Russia could potentially invade and take over the capitals of many European countries within two days.
Read more at Vladimir Putin Threatens World War 3, Says Russia Could Invade Europe Within Two Days

In the world of reporting allegedly often mean "I made it up to sound important" and in dealing with an internet blog referring to themselves as "viral news" there is no 'often' in there.

Does anyone think Putin is as stupid as Obama and tell his enemies what he intends to do?
 
The National Reconnaissance Office reported that there were 20,000 taco trucks conducting maneuvers out in the Mexican Sonoran Desert.

Should we be concerned ?

Meh, you could handle half that division alone.
 
It's not shocking. It's a well known fact that Vladimir Putin (Former KGB Master Spy) has longed for the grand ole days of the Soviet Union. This is the same guy who stated that the fall of the Soviet Union was "one of the great tragedies of the 20th century." He even made specific reference to the breaking up of territories. If he thought he could get away with it, he'd carry out the threats.



You would be the first one to jump to Putin's defense...



Whether or not it was originally meant as a boast, there's no way that those countries that he talked about didn't take it as a threat, and considering his history, it's one they should take seriously.



Bottom line, Putin knows he can get away with just about anything at this point. Honestly, how far could he push before we'd be forced to respond? I don't think Europe or America is going to go to war over Kiev or even Baltic NATO allies.

Really now! Can you prove he threatened WW3?
 
I disagree. What he did in Ukraine is about the same as what we did in Iraq. He invaded a sovereign nation that had no plans to attack him. Same as Iraq.

As for NATO alliances and mutual defense agreements, you can bet your bottom dollar that if he attacked a NATO member that NATO would be forced to respond. It would breach many contracts and mutual defense agreements to do nothing...

Patronizing Americans absolutely WILL NOT acknowledge such wrong doing, when pointing out a perceived wrong doing by others.
 
The National Reconnaissance Office reported that there were 20,000 taco trucks conducting maneuvers out in the Mexican Sonoran Desert.

Should we be concerned ?

Meanwhile Canada is conducting a massive boy scout gathering disguised as a Caribou hunt.

Man the barricades!
 
I disagree. What he did in Ukraine is about the same as what we did in Iraq. He invaded a sovereign nation that had no plans to attack him. Same as Iraq.

As for NATO alliances and mutual defense agreements, you can bet your bottom dollar that if he attacked a NATO member that NATO would be forced to respond. It would breach many contracts and mutual defense agreements to do nothing...



And I have to disagree with the comparison to Iraq.

I missed the part where Iraqi's have a historical connection to American way of life and culture, identify as "American" as was the case in Crimea/Ukraine.

Further, Putin DID have a right to feel threatened, the CIA had stirred up **** in Kyiv and forced an illegal regime change; he had warned Bush that if the US tried to mess with Ukraine he "would tear her apart"...and now that the US did, he has.

The comparison the Russians make is that if they had created havoc in a Canadian government,. forced a change to a pro-Russian administration and Canada was intending to leave NATO, of course the UIS would send in tanks, and planes, and yes, "boots on the ground" as the US would become very damn concerned about "the longest undefended border in the world."
 
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