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Tony Stewart Won’t Face Criminal Charges in Death of Kevin Ward Jr.

Sure there is.

NY State has drugged driving laws. They test for content.

There certainly is such a test.

Could you guys please link me to a citation or two. I was under the impression there was no such test. If there is, it is a very recent development. Hence the big controversy about some states legalizing marijuana and the implications of driving under the influence.

http://www.popsci.com/science/artic...tates-how-will-police-regulate-stoned-driving
 
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I'm pretty sure that parents of a dead child are going to sue civilly a rich person that they view as the cause of that child's death.

Except that he was not a child and he was intoxicated.
 
Could you guys please link me to a citation or two. I was under the impression there was no such test. If there is, it is a very recent development. Hence the big controversy about some states legalizing marijuana and the implications of driving under the influence.

There are laws in NY State for "Drugged Driving" (DUID) as in all states. NY is one of the few states that is able to differentiate between drunk driving & driving under the influence of drugs (or combination of both). I have no idea how they physically do these tests but I doubt it holds up in court based on "best guess".
 
As I said, there is no test which can measure that. Look it up.

Tony Stewart won't face charges in death of Kevin Ward Jr. - ESPN

From the link...

Ontario County District Attorney Michael Tantillo said the victim, Kevin Ward Jr., was under the influence of marijuana the night of the accident "enough to impair judgment." Tantillo also said two videos examined by investigators showed "no aberrational driving by Tony Stewart."

You guys can sit here and split hairs about what does "high as a kite" really mean but when the DA comes out and states publicly that he was under the influence you can bet that he really was.
 
Tony Stewart won't face charges in death of Kevin Ward Jr. - ESPN

From the link...



You guys can sit here and split hairs about what does "high as a kite" really mean but when the DA comes out and states publicly that he was under the influence you can bet that he really was.
Right, because all DAs are moral pillars of the community. :rolleyes: I am merely asking for the science behind the statement. Like I said, I was under the impression no such test existed. It's been discussed all over the media. Is that really an unreasonable request? It certainly isn't "splitting hairs". Let alone hares.
 
Yep, the test can only determine if marijuana has been used, not if the subject is currently intoxicated. A heavy user could quit smoking for a month and still test positive for marijuana use. Even longer, actually.
Pretty much as long as its in your system, you are subject to intoxication.
Bottom line is the little brat was a hot head pot head.
 
Right, because all DAs are moral pillars of the community. :rolleyes: I am merely asking for the science behind the statement. Like I said, I was under the impression no such test existed. It's been discussed all over the media. Is that really an unreasonable request? It certainly isn't "splitting hairs". Let alone hares.

The DA is tasked with upholding the laws that are handed to him. He isn't there to judge - just apply the law.

And it's possible that Ward had smoked as long as 3 weeks prior. But if the amount contained in his blood or whatever they tested exceeded the legal limit as set forth by the state, then technically he was under the influence.
 
Right, because all DAs are moral pillars of the community. :rolleyes: I am merely asking for the science behind the statement. Like I said, I was under the impression no such test existed. It's been discussed all over the media. Is that really an unreasonable request? It certainly isn't "splitting hairs". Let alone hares.
If you smoke a bowl or a joint or "whatever" there is a test that can accurately determine the level of THC in your bloodstream.
 
I'm pretty sure that parents of a dead child are going to sue civilly a rich person that they view as the cause of that child's death.

It hard to tell if its enforceable. But most tracks have you sign a release once you enter.
 
If you smoke a bowl or a joint or "whatever" there is a test that can accurately determine the level of THC in your bloodstream.
I think you are arguing with Cheech Marin or Tommy Chong. He refuses to see the issue.
 
Yep, the test can only determine if marijuana has been used, not if the subject is currently intoxicated. A heavy user could quit smoking for a month and still test positive for marijuana use. Even longer, actually.
I thought it was only about three weeks, but yeah.


I'm pretty sure that parents of a dead child are going to sue civilly a rich person that they view as the cause of that child's death.
If I were on the jury, they'd get zero. IMO, the incident was 100% Ward's fault.


The DA is tasked with upholding the laws that are handed to him. He isn't there to judge - just apply the law.

And it's possible that Ward had smoked as long as 3 weeks prior. But if the amount contained in his blood or whatever they tested exceeded the legal limit as set forth by the state, then technically he was under the influence.
Sorry, that made me giggle.
 
Yep, the test can only determine if marijuana has been used, not if the subject is currently intoxicated. A heavy user could quit smoking for a month and still test positive for marijuana use. Even longer, actually.
You are wrong.

How Long Does Marijuana Stay in the Body?

Because marijuana stays in the bloodstream for a short time, blood tests for marijuana are usually not used, except in the case of automobile accidents and some roadside sobriety check points. Blood or saliva tests can show current intoxication. However, unlike blood alcohol concentration tests, they do not indicate a level of intoxication or impairment.
A blood test can show current intoxication but not the LEVEL of intoxication. The testing done showed that Ward was high when he climbed into that race car. And like I said before, you can sit here and split hairs over HOW high he was but at this point.... what's the point.
 
There are laws in NY State for "Drugged Driving" (DUID) as in all states. NY is one of the few states that is able to differentiate between drunk driving & driving under the influence of drugs (or combination of both). I have no idea how they physically do these tests but I doubt it holds up in court based on "best guess".

There is a blood test for THC similar to the blood alcohol test. It is not quite as reliable as the alcohol test...however they can quantify "enough to be impaired".
 
Pretty much as long as its in your system, you are subject to intoxication.
Bottom line is the little brat was a hot head pot head.
Gimme a break, you are not intoxicated for six weeks.
 
The DA is tasked with upholding the laws that are handed to him. He isn't there to judge - just apply the law.

And it's possible that Ward had smoked as long as 3 weeks prior. But if the amount contained in his blood or whatever they tested exceeded the legal limit as set forth by the state, then technically he was under the influence.

Yep, that's what I thought. Technically under the influence means nothing.
 
You are wrong.

How Long Does Marijuana Stay in the Body?


A blood test can show current intoxication but not the LEVEL of intoxication. The testing done showed that Ward was high when he climbed into that race car. And like I said before, you can sit here and split hairs over HOW high he was but at this point.... what's the point.

Lol. First paragraph from the article you linked.

The effects of smoking marijuana fade quickly, but the drug, known affectionately as "weed," can be detected in the body for weeks and sometimes longer
 
Gimme a break, you are not intoxicated for six weeks.

Clearly you have never raced. You want to be on a track with people that are using? Or drunk? I raced NHRA Div 2 for over 20 years. We got rid of more than one "party boy" that thought it was OK to smoke alittle weed or have a beer between rounds.
 
Clearly you have never raced. You want to be on a track with people that are using? Or drunk? I raced NHRA Div 2 for over 20 years. We got rid of more than one "party boy" that thought it was OK to smoke alittle weed or have a beer between rounds.

Redneck posturing aside, that's beside the point. I am questioning the science behind the DAs statement. Actually, I was hoping an accurate test had been developed that I was unaware of. But at this point I've seen no evidence of it.
 
Okay. Tell that to the judge if you're charged and fail the test.

I would. And I would be correct. Why are you arguing such a silly point? Wouldn't you want an honest, fair, accurate test? Or are you one of these control freaks that thinks weed smokers should be locked up?
 
I would. And I would be correct. Why are you arguing such a silly point? Wouldn't you want an honest, fair, accurate test? Or are you one of these control freaks that thinks weed smokers should be locked up?

So you think everyone in this country who is charged with driving under the influence of drugs can just say "screw you", and the judge says "okay"? Interesting.

I'm a weed smoker myself, an advocate of making pot legal, and have posted those very statements at least 100 times on this board. You should probably know something about the poster before you accuse him/her of something that isn't true.
 
Lol. First paragraph from the article you linked.
You should have kept reading.

Also from the same link...

Because marijuana stays in the bloodstream for a short time, blood tests for marijuana are usually not used, except in the case of automobile accidents and some roadside sobriety check points. Blood or saliva tests can show current intoxication. However, unlike blood alcohol concentration tests, they do not indicate a level of intoxication or impairment.

What I said was 100% accurate. A blood test, like the one given to Ward post mortem, can determine if the person is currently under the influence. Why are you having such a hard time grasping this?
 
How did this thread get so terribly off track, and how can we get back to the subject at hand?
 
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