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    Re: Algerian extremists behead French hostage

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    The probable goal is not 100% containement. Rather, the goal is to prevent the establishement of another quasi state dedicated to Jihad ideaology (ala Taliban part of Afghanistan).
    I understand that this is the desired outcome, but the reality is that Afghanistan will likely be an option again soon, as well as Libya, Lebanon, Yemen, and other third world countries in that region.

    The prevention of such a state would limit the ability of the terrorists to openly recruit, screen and train thousands of jihadist volunteers for attacks against the West like 9-11.
    ISIL is hardly a functioning government now, unless we consider war the only valuable function government can provide, and they haven't had trouble recruiting in the past, it seems. I agree that prevention is far better than the cure, but how many places are we going to police? How many times are we going to knock the Islamists back? We cannot build a wall around the west.

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    Re: Algerian extremists behead French hostage

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    only in some portions of the middle east, where governments are unable to maintain in control, are tribes able to flourish
    this is hardly an ideology that has spread globally


    since you were in error above, then this is in error, too


    that's might white of you [/sarcasm for those who need the indicator]


    share links with us which will substantiate your assertion

    ISIL's tentacles creep into Indonesia

    Australian police thwart ISIL beheading plot

    I could go on.

    Since you are in so much error, any further time spent is rather pointless.

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    Re: Algerian extremists behead French hostage

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    ISIL's tentacles creep into Indonesia

    Australian police thwart ISIL beheading plot

    I could go on.

    Since you are in so much error, any further time spent is rather pointless.
    so worldwide
    NOT
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Algerian extremists behead French hostage

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so worldwide
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    Clearly, you wouldn't know.

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    Re: Algerian extremists behead French hostage

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    only in some portions of the middle east, where governments are unable to maintain in control, are tribes able to flourish
    this is hardly an ideology that has spread globally
    The US, China, Russia, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Indonesia, India, Australia, all of northern Africa, Pakistan, Malaysia, have all suffered attacks, just to name some. It seems that most of South American and Antarctica have missed out on the fun. Kinda sounds like World War II.

    share links with us which will substantiate your assertion
    You can Google it yourself. I'm sure you'll find something.

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    Re: Algerian extremists behead French hostage

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    The US, China, Russia, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Indonesia, India, Australia, all of northern Africa, Pakistan, Malaysia, have all suffered attacks, just to name some. It seems that most of South American and Antarctica have missed out on the fun. Kinda sounds like World War II.



    You can Google it yourself. I'm sure you'll find something.
    yea, yea
    isis is everywhere
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    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Algerian extremists behead French hostage

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    It's not a war; we're just dropping bombs on people.

    war
    wr/
    noun
    noun: war; plural noun: wars

    1.
    a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

    I mean, if you look at the definition, clearly dropping bombs doesn't...wait, well, forget the definition. As long as we don't call it a war it is not actually a war. Just because things are blowing up and people are dying it doesn't mean it is an act of war. Duh...
    How about military conflict between a state and groups within failed nations and other states?

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    Re: Algerian extremists behead French hostage

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yea, yea
    isis is everywhere
    be scared
    I am not very much afraid of the mafia's hit men. None the less, they must be stopped.

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    Re: Algerian extremists behead French hostage

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    ISIL is hardly a functioning government now, unless we consider war the only valuable function government can provide, and they haven't had trouble recruiting in the past, it seems.

    Sadly, ISIS is becoming a functioning government in the areas they control. In addition to just beheading and Jihad chanting, ISIS is exporting oil, collecting taxes, establishing a "justice" system, and creating and enforcing a slew of commerical regulations. As they have control over the Mosul Airport, they can also directly accept recruits (providing anybody still flies into Mosul)

    All this aside, the quasi State status that ISIS enjoys allows them to recruit, screen and train fighters by the thousands- not in groups of say 3-30. This gives them a far larger "talent" pool and a far greater ability to identify dedicated, intelligent recruits and then match them to demanding missions (9-11).


    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    It seems to me that these people being all together, in one area(State) would be preferable to the fragmented cells that seem to exist now in every nook and cranny of the globe. It's almost like opening up the seed pod and watching the seeds be carried off and scattered by the wind. Sure, the pod is destroyed but what happens with the seeds when they land and take root?
    I disagree-

    For seeds to turn into weeds, sometines they needs to be planted in large quantities (critical mass) in "good" soil. As the plants grow, they shelter each other from the sun and the wind. Due to their numbers, they can be hard to uproot.

    Meanwhile, small groups of seeds cannot support each other and may never reach critical mass to ensure a thriving colony. As they are small in number and the soil is of varying quality, the weeds can be dug up more easily.

    In short, the concequences of allowing a semi official Jihad state to openly recruit, train and sreen for "talent" people by the thousands is far worse potentially than isolated bands of jihaders trying to recruiting and screening for "talented" people by the dozen.
    Last edited by Cryptic; 09-24-14 at 04:18 PM.

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    Re: Algerian extremists behead French hostage

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    yea, yea
    isis is everywhere
    be scared
    They're the JV, after all. A few bombs, and they'll go away. Hell, I'd go away after just one.

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