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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

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Eh, while I have serious professional ethical problems having teachers enlist students in causes to benefit the viewpoints of the teaching body, I must say few groups are above using kids to promote an agenda. Kids are an effective tool and probably will be exploited from time to time.

None of which, of course, makes it appropriate.
 
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I think this ugly attitude toward young people explains why nobody under 65 votes for Republicans anymore, unless they live in a compound in the desert, or a trailer park in the South.

LOL -- ugly attitude??? Just what 'ugly attitude' have you conjured into existence?

Your elitist attitude is showing ...
 
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Yeah, hi. You’re posts are not very clear. It was reported on CBS News this morning that one of the changes the school board wanted in the texts was to leave out all of the civil protests that have happened, so what you’re referring to with “civil protests” I have no idea. Please clarify what you want me to speak to. In order for to you speak about Bunker Hill you would have to know what it was: it’s not a trick question,

So you can't define a civil protest, but you're advocating for High School students to do it because our nation was founded on civil protests. Okay, clear enough
 
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Eh, while I have serious professional ethical problems having teachers enlist students in causes to benefit the viewpoints of the teaching body, I must say few groups are above using kids to promote an agenda. Kids are an effective tool and probably will be exploited from time to time.
Just as those who are teaching them were exploited.

They were also raised in an environment that no matter what sort of atrocities have been committed elsewhere, America is all Indian Land, Adolph Hitler was a Christian, Americans had slaves, Vietnam was bad, and so it goes until, finally, the President of the United States feels comfortable enough to stand in a UN forum filled with dictators of every stripe to discuss Ferguson, Missouri, - and this is taken as normal for many of American people.

A people this misinformed about their own past, where only the negative is taught, where the students, and even their President, have no clue about American exceptionalism, cannot survive for long. They are like Dodo birds, too stupid to survive confrontation with any enemy because they have nothing to protect, nothing to stand for, no reason to survive and no idea they are even under attack..
 
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So you can't define a civil protest, but you're advocating for High School students to do it because our nation was founded on civil protests. Okay, clear enough

Civil protest is non violent action to effect change, ala Martin Luther King. That's what the kids are dong and the school board has shelved the idea, so it worked.

Again; what kind of point are you trying to make?
 
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No; he subject is 1000 high school kids walking out of class. And what dates are you talking about? Tres drunks asked what the foundation was; apparently she doesn't know or simply can't ask the question she wants answered. The founders working with the king means nothing to the over all point of cvil disobedience and armed conflict as a solution.

So, the kids are absolutely right then.



it is amazing how lost you are so quickly, in our conversation, on what i quoted this from the story, which you sought to rebut me on, here is the quote.

A student demonstrator, Tyrone G. Parks, a senior at Arvada High School, said Tuesday that the nation's foundation was built on civil protests, "and everything that we've done is what allowed us to be at this point today. And if you take that from us, you take away everything that America was built off of."

which is the foundation of america, not kids walking out of class........you are wrong here.

this nation is founded on revolution, not protest as you claim.........america did not get its Independence by protest, but by revolution.......you are wrong here.

the Boston tea party and burning houses are not protest that is incorrect, which you try to make the claim they are.........you are wrong here.

right to protest and right to revolution are natural rights, they are not privileges of government...

since they are natural rights of people, it is impossible to be a protest, which involved the destruction of private property.....tea/ buildings.

no natural right enables any person with the ability to destroy , steal, cheat another person of anything they own..............so again your are wrong, ..............about what you say as well as Tyrone G. Parks, because neither of you know anything about America's founding, its documents , and rights of the people.
 
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it is amazing how lost you are so quickly, in our conversation, on what i quoted this from the story, which you sought to rebut me on, here is the quote.



which is the foundation of america, not kids walking out of class........you are wrong here.

this nation is founded on revolution, not protest as you claim.........america did not get its Independence by protest, but by revolution.......you are wrong here.

the Boston tea party and burning houses are not protest that is incorrect, which you try to make the claim they are.........you are wrong here.

right to protest and right to revolution are natural rights, they are not privileges of government...

since they are natural rights of people, it is impossible to be a protest, which involved the destruction of private property.....tea/ buildings.

no natural right enables any person with the ability to destroy , steal, cheat another person of anything they own..............so again your are wrong, ..............about what you say as well as Tyrone G. Parks, because neither of you know anything about America's founding, its documents , and rights of the people.

Where did I say that the country was founded on civil protest? And the high school kids won you know.

(chuckle)

ernst Barkmann!
 
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Where did I say that the country was founded on civil protest? And the high school kids won you know.

(chuckle)

ernst Barkmann!

trying to be SLICK HERE?..........trying to get yourself out of the corner you put yourself into.

HERE IS WHERE YOU INFER IT


A student demonstrator, Tyrone G. Parks, a senior at Arvada High School, said Tuesday that the nation's foundation was built on civil protests, "and everything that we've done is what allowed us to be at this point today. And if you take that from us, you take away everything that America was built off of."


Mind full of mush.


Uh, Tyron G. Parks would be exactly right. Thanks for confirming that the right-wing has no business in education.


Read your history dude: apparently Tyrone G. Parks did.
 
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trying to be SLICK HERE?..........trying to get yourself out of the corner you put yourself into.

HERE IS WHERE YOU INFER IT

Yes, and I added Bunker Hill and the Tea Party as examples. Wars don't just start one moring becasue it sounded like a good idea at the time. One has to take the entirety into consideration. The Declaration of Independence announced the founding, the revolution (armed conflict) cleared the way.

These highschool kids did exactly the right thing for exactly the right reasons and they won! You and a few others are grasping at straws trying to make them wrong while grasping at straws trying to make that idiot school board right. Tyrone G. Parks was exactly right.

Your logic fails you.
 
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Yes, and I added Bunker Hill and the Tea Party as examples. Wars don't just start one moring becasue it sounded like a good idea at the time. One has to take the entirety into consideration. The Declaration of Independence announced the founding, the revolution (armed conflict) cleared the way.

These highschool kids did exactly the right thing for exactly the right reasons and they won! You and a few others are grasping at straws trying to make them wrong while grasping at straws trying to make that idiot school board right. Tyrone G. Parks was exactly right.

Your logic fails you.

this is a very sad attempt you get yourself out of the hole you dug for yourself....



A student demonstrator, Tyrone G. Parks, a senior at Arvada High School, said Tuesday that the nation's foundation was built on civil protests, "and everything that we've done is what allowed us to be at this point today. And if you take that from us, you take away everything that America was built off of."


Uh, Tyron G. Parks would be exactly right.

Read your history dude: apparently Tyrone G. Parks did.


Where did I say that the country was founded on civil protest?
 
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Civil protest is non violent action to effect change, ala Martin Luther King. That's what the kids are dong and the school board has shelved the idea, so it worked.

Again; what kind of point are you trying to make?

You do realize that Bunker Hill was violent, yes? So it doesn't quite fit into your definition.
 
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You do realize that Bunker Hill was violent, yes? So it doesn't quite fit into your definition.

Bunk Hill started out as a labor demomstration, so it does indeed fit. English troops opened fire on the demonstrators which turned it violent. It would be nice if you stopped trying to make me wrong at any cost and just focused on a decent conversation.

What point are you trying to make?
 
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I have been trying to figure out how any censorship is occurring, without success.

It would appear that the subject of censorship may be a "red herring" and the students used as pawns.

'A' Is for Agitation: What's Really Going on in Jefferson County Schools - Michelle Malkin - Page 1

It's not, but when anyone starts to peel back a layer on the progressive onion in our education system, be prepared for the progs to go nuts...Even use kids.
 
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Bunk Hill started out as a labor demomstration, so it does indeed fit. English troops opened fire on the demonstrators which turned it violent. It would be nice if you stopped trying to make me wrong at any cost and just focused on a decent conversation.

What point are you trying to make?

What? A "labor demonstration"? "Demonstrators"? You're joking I hope. This wasn't a labor demonstration. Seriously, do you know anything about Bunker Hill (which was actually Breed's Hill)?
 
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What? A "labor demonstration"? "Demonstrators"? You're joking I hope. This wasn't a labor demonstration. Seriously, do you know anything about Bunker Hill (which was actually Breed's Hill)?

Yes; I was talking about the boston masacre: I stand corrected.

So, back to the conversation....
 
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What? A "labor demonstration"? "Demonstrators"? You're joking I hope. This wasn't a labor demonstration. Seriously, do you know anything about Bunker Hill (which was actually Breed's Hill)?

well done.
 
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Yes; I was talking about the boston masacre: I stand corrected.

So, back to the conversation....

OMFG do you know what started the Boston Massacre? It was NOT a demonstration! It started with a single colonist calling out a British officer for not paying a bill at the wigmaker's. The guard at the custom house heard the exchange and went over and bopped the colonist on the head with a musket. Then a large freaking brawl ensued. It wasn't a demonstration. It was a fight.
 
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OMFG do you know what started the Boston Massacre? It was NOT a demonstration! It started with a single colonist calling out a British officer for not paying a bill at the wigmaker's. The guard at the custom house heard the exchange and went over and bopped the colonist on the head with a musket. Then a large freaking brawl ensued. It wasn't a demonstration. It was a fight.

Greetings, tres borrachos. :2wave:

I wonder if, when some rewrite history that is being taught in schools today - as they seem to want to do - whether truths like this will be conventiently omitted? We seem to be actually living the movie 1984! Talk about agendas....
 
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OMFG do you know what started the Boston Massacre? It was NOT a demonstration! It started with a single colonist calling out a British officer for not paying a bill at the wigmaker's. The guard at the custom house heard the exchange and went over and bopped the colonist on the head with a musket. Then a large freaking brawl ensued. It wasn't a demonstration. It was a fight.


:lamo he's two for two...This is just too freaking great....hahahaha!
 
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Whether is was a good thing or was not should not matter in the educational teaching of the events. You tell the facts of the dates and the events that happened and then the teacher ( a good one) should then have a discussion without giving their own opinion but instead having the students come up with their own view on whether it was a good thing or not, provoking intelligent discussions and debate in the classroom. That's just my opinion on how it should be teached and it could be a good thing or not.

At the end of the day they want to do to history what fox does to the news.

Apply a chosen perspective.

Left perspective: nuclear fire rained down on civilian targets.

Right perspective: nukes sent a message strong enough to get Japan to surrender, saving more lives that the nukes cost.

Good arguments can be made for both, but one shouldn't be systematically promoted to the exclusion of the other.
 
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At the end of the day they want to do to history what fox does to the news.

Apply a chosen perspective.

Left perspective: nuclear fire rained down on civilian targets.

Right perspective: nukes sent a message strong enough to get Japan to surrender, saving more lives that the nukes cost.

Good arguments can be made for both, but one shouldn't be systematically promoted to the exclusion of the other.

Right now it is though....Just ask a High School student about world history, and you will see how.
 
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Typical liberal response: no evidence to back their claims.

Hardly a "Pro-USA" textbook. The authors' point of view crystallizes into anything but an American viewpoint. The authors write, "In 1900 a superpatriotic group known as the 'Boxers' broke loose with the cry, 'Kill Foreign Devils'." Not once do the authors call the Boxer Rebellion a 'discriminatory insensitive action on the part of the Chinese'. Instead, the authors note "patriotic Chinese" formed to kick out foreigners [Boxer Rebellion]. Previously in the text is the Chinese immigration into the United States around the 1880s. Chinese immigration in the United States culminated with passing the Chinese Exclusion Act (barring Chinese immigration). The text describes this act as a "discriminatory measure" and that Americans were acting out of "ethnic prejudice." Although it may be seem discriminatory, it was also realistic. Americans in the Golden State complained about competing Chinese immigrants for jobs and wages (as the Chinese would work for cheap). There is an obvious slant and bias here.
Republicans & Conservatives: Proof of Liberal History Textbooks

Fair enough.

But the solution is to remove the liberal bias not replace it with conservative bias.
 
Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum changes that would promote patriotism | Fox News





I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.

Yeah right - curriculum these days has been manifested by progressives and said curriculum is absolutely anti-US and completely sympathetic to progressive values and progressive politics.

This little "temper tantrum" proves this..

Progressives hate patriotism and they HATE the founding documents.

As far as I see it public schools presently are teaching kids how to be good little communist sheep.

There needs to be some balance here...

Furthermore how the hell can a kid storm out of class (or even a teacher for that matter) if they're ignorant to the ideas mentioned in the article?

Also, part of learning is understanding different points of view - which is something the little commies DONT want because it would screw up their game plan by giving kids an alternative perspective.
 
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Fair enough.

But the solution is to remove the liberal bias not replace it with conservative bias.

Yes, there is bias on all sides.

Just look at how story is covered by the "talking heads" on FOXNEWS with one slant, and then on CNN with another. This is called agenda.

Our history books should be written as if an alien race were writing it thousands of years from now---more or less with basic facts.

But just as life isn't fair, so is real history. No one could possibly think the achievements, bearing and importance of somelike like President Washington could be compared to someone like President Obama. Obama's life and contribution to America pales to insifnificance compared to Washington. Wait until 20 years from now, and Obama's Liberal fanatics will give them both about the same amount of print.
 
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