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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

The post you responded to did not claim that anyone was trying to make the curriculum non-factual. It merely said that the curriculum should be factual

And it was said in response to the story posted, seemingly implicating that those in the story were suggesting the curriculum SHOULDN'T be factual. If that wasn't the intent there was little reason to say it as it relates to the topic.

When people talk about bias, they are generally referring to a bias that is generally considered to be "bad".

Which is exactly my point. People like to ACT like they give a damn about bias, but that's not true...they give a damn about bias that goes against their own biases.

"making america look good" above all else.

Funny, you put it in quotes but I don't remember that being what was proposed here.

Yes, I quoted a school board member using the teaching of slavery as an example of something that doesn't support the goals of this school board.

I looked back through every post you've made in this thread and I didn't see it. Care to point me to the specific post because apparently I'm missing it. I see one instance where you make the claim that they said that in a paraphrased sort of way, and a post where you include a link without any information on what said link contains and which the link doesn't function...but that's it. What post did you actually quote the school board member saying that kid shouldn't be taught about slavery in the US, and did it actually include a link to verify your claim?

I also think it's naive to assume that there isn't an easily identifiable political agenda behind this school board's actions.

Thanks for the strawman, now show me where I've suggested there isn't? Absolutely I think there's a political reason behind what this group would choose to be included in history classes. Where we differ likely is I believe peoples political views impact pretty much all instances of history texts or curriculum in various ways. What I suggested was questionable was the outright jump to the notion that what was stated in the OP automatically would lead to it being used to keep from "teaching kids about slavery in the US"
 
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Sounds exactly like that to me in the overall context of the article and the parts of the proposal I read.

How does it not read like that to you?

Seriously?

Because she never said that slavery shouldn't be taught in history class... That's kind of a no-brainer.
 
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You said, and I quote:




Based on the links contained in this thread, and the links you have provided, that statement absolutely false.

Either substanciate that claim, or retract it.

My statement is true.
 
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Seriously?

Because she never said that slavery shouldn't be taught in history class... That's kind of a no-brainer.

OK...just the negative parts :doh
 
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My statement is true.

You are claiming that the following statement you made was true:

I have already posted a quote from the school board member who objects to the teaching of slavery

Well now I can say the following as absolute fact, without being accused of flaming, trolling or baiting...

That sir is a lie... A 100% fabricated accusation that has no basis what so ever in fact.
 
Koch-fueled education--right-wing social engineering as Newt Gingrich called it--the Koch brothers almost pulled this off in Noth Carolina's largest school district a while back--Wayne County -
 
Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

It's leniency, but still punishment for being absent from classes. Schools were in the right to give out that dose of punishment.

Still your opinion.

And still not remotely the point of this thread.
 
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Still your opinion.

No, this is established school practice, backed by law since the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Not an opinion. Big difference.
 
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History is mostly a collection of lies created by the victor.

All history is biased. As Leftwing socialists control most public school and college history textbook publication houses, their Leftist agenda is quite apparent.
Can you give us some examples of this apparent leftist socialist agenda in schoolbooks?

In all the history textbooks I've seen over the years, Communists get a free ride. As their agenda is hardly different than Liberals who write the books. Every single history book I've looked at will have a least one dedicated page in the WW2 section on the Holocaust, and nothing on greater number of atrocities done by the Soviets. Hitler bad, Stalin good. Biased? For sure.
In the context of WW2, how is Stalin bad? Do you not think he was instrumental in the Allied defeat of Hitler?

Liberals have only a narrow view of what "civil rights" are. For typical, brainwashed American liberals, they believe it is still 1963 and Blacks and other ethnic groups still suffer under Jim Crow Voter Laws and the never ending problem of "racism and discrimination." Factors that will take another 2,000 years to erase, it seems.
Considering the coordinated racist vote ID laws recently be passed by Republican state legislators, clearly Blacks and other ethic groups still suffer under Jim Crow voter laws in many or most red states. I will grant you that this disenfranchisement is a recent event, which illustrates that we should continue to teach the existence of earlier racist behaviour since it can clearly (and has) resurface(d) after being tamped down.

Black liberals, on the other hand, still think it is 1864, and as oppressed slaves, they can only have "justice" when they have taken over all forms of government through revolutionary acts. This is what they are demanding in Ferguson, Mo. And what has already happened in Detroit, and so many other cities across the nation.
Considering that Rand Paul, often mentioned as a 2016 presidential candidate by Republicans, would like to allow 'whites only' restuarants clearly it is still (in the right's mind) 1954 or 1963 at least (IIRC he'd like to see the Civil Rights Act repealed). Considering right wing extemists like Cliven Bundy, supported by right wing media,who thinks that the abolition of slavery was a bad idea it clearly still is 1864.

Would you call that "Black Supremacy" or just "Social Justice?"
I would call it fascism.
 
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No, this is established school practice, backed by law since the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Not an opinion. Big difference.

You keep claiming they're right.

That's your opinion. They do not 'have to' apply it.
 
Students are protesting using their first amendment rights--a tenet of the supposed right-wing/Libertarian plank--except of course when the right-wing disagrees with their views -
 
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And it was said in response to the story posted, seemingly implicating that those in the story were suggesting the curriculum SHOULDN'T be factual. If that wasn't the intent there was little reason to say it as it relates to the topic.

I find it odd that you can read "between the lines" of that post and divine the poster's intended meaning but can't read between the lines of this school board words and actions.



Which is exactly my point. People like to ACT like they give a damn about bias, but that's not true...they give a damn about bias that goes against their own biases.

Yes, I was agreeing that what you said was true, but basically just pedantry. It's pretty clear that is what people mean when they talk about bias.



Funny, you put it in quotes but I don't remember that being what was proposed here.

And here's where you lose that ability to read between the lines

I looked back through every post you've made in this thread and I didn't see it. Care to point me to the specific post because apparently I'm missing it. I see one instance where you make the claim that they said that in a paraphrased sort of way, and a post where you include a link without any information on what said link contains and which the link doesn't function...but that's it. What post did you actually quote the school board member saying that kid shouldn't be taught about slavery in the US, and did it actually include a link to verify your claim?

And again. The quote has the school board member complaining that the teaching of slavery was put in a "negative light". Until you can explain how slavery can be taught in a positive light, I will hold off answering your question.

Thanks for the strawman, now show me where I've suggested there isn't? Absolutely I think there's a political reason behind what this group would choose to be included in history classes. Where we differ likely is I believe peoples political views impact pretty much all instances of history texts or curriculum in various ways. What I suggested was questionable was the outright jump to the notion that what was stated in the OP automatically would lead to it being used to keep from "teaching kids about slavery in the US"

I didn't say you suggested there isn't. However, you have refrained from mentioning it. And when I've referred to it, you suddenly lose the ability to discern intent, even though this is part of a well documented movement to influence education. So until you apply the same standards for "outright jumping to notions" to all parties, I'll refrain from trying to convince you of something you seem to be unwilling to admit.

However, since you seem to have read the school boards comment about slavery, I would be very interested in hearing about how slavery could be taught in a positive light. And ideas?

And since you're so keen on pointing out claims that don't meet your standard of proof, do you care to comment about the posts that accuse the left of using education for all sorts of nefarious purposes, or is this another standard that is applied occasionally?
 
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You keep claiming they're right.

That's your opinion. They do not 'have to' apply it.

A student cannot skip class without an excused absence. This isn't rocket science.
 
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Seriously?

Because she never said that slavery shouldn't be taught in history class... That's kind of a no-brainer.

Let us know when you come up with a way to teach slavery in a positive light
 
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You are claiming that the following statement you made was true:



Well now I can say the following as absolute fact, without being accused of flaming, trolling or baiting...

That sir is a lie... A 100% fabricated accusation that has no basis what so ever in fact.

She said it was taught in a negative light. That's an objection
 
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Let us know when you come up with a way to teach slavery in a positive light

Do you seriously have no idea what the woman was talking about?

If you really don't, then just say so and I will be glad to enlighten you.
 
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Let us know when you come up with a way to teach slavery in a positive light

With U.B. Philips and gang, you can. Of course, you would be legitimately laughed out of the room quoting the guy with a ton of respect.
 
Did we hear this kind of outrage from righties when the Texas history books were rewritten to bring in Jefferson Davis and leave out Thomas Jefferson
 
What exactly are those "liberal fatted calves", and what exactly are the "facts" that replaced them? Since you seem to know, maybe you can share with us.

That's exactly the point .... there was NO attempt to censor what was being taught, but rather to place the criteria in what the school board thought was 'proper context.'

For example, the History course at Aurora High had devolved into a discussion of all the ills of the American system. It was an anti-capitalism, anti-government presentation. NO time was spent discussing the accomplishments of the founding fathers, but over 3 weeks were spent discussing the civil rights movement of the 60s. Logic would tell you that understanding the tenets of the American government that allowed the civil rights movement would be at least as important. There was a large part of the school year discussing the impacts of the industrial revolution on climate change, but not one word about the positive impacts ... better wages, better working hours, greater mobility, etc., etc., etc. The lopsided presentation of Civil War history was nothing short of ridiculous. Whether we like to admit it or not, the bombing of Hiroshima was a significantly more positive act than it was negative.

The simple fact was that the American History effort had become a liberal forum for indoctrinating the students about everything that is wrong with the American system, rather than a reasoned, rational, and fair presentation for the students to consider for themselves. This proposal was an attempt to rein in an educational department that had gone off the tracks, rather than confront the teachers face-to-face.

How do I know? I am a member of the District Accountability Committee here in Colorado Springs for one of the school districts. We are trying to resolve the Common Core-Instructor Responsibility conundrum. We were briefed on the Aurora situation, since that is really the driver behind this whole fiasco. Frankly, I have no idea if it's been published anywhere.
 
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She said it was taught in a negative light. That's an objection

Yes, an objection to HOW the topic of slavery was taught, not an objection to teaching the subject itself.
 
Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

Do you seriously have no idea what the woman was talking about?

If you really don't, then just say so and I will be glad to enlighten you.
Let us know when you come up with a way to teach slavery in a positive light
 
Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

With U.B. Philips and gang, you can. Of course, you would be legitimately laughed out of the room quoting the guy with a ton of respect.

I'm not familiar with the name but I'm going to guess he agrees with that guy from that hillbilly's duckhunting show
 
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Let us know when you come up with a way to teach slavery in a positive light

Eh there should be no lights, negative or positive. Simply facts, let the kids think for themselves (I'm sure 99.99% will come to the conclusion that slavery is bad).
 
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