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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

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That your quote is manufactured liberal hooey that was presented by the left in a historical context as a means to justify the anti-American sentiments expressed at liberal protests throughout the last several decades.

None of which has anything to do with whether the meaning is accurate. When you cannot refute points, you have to try and attack the messenger. So, can you comment on the actual words?
 
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I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.

I'm guessing you have never really looked at the curriculum of a high school history class.

This town is about 45 miles away.

The teachers complained (held a 'brown-out) because some liberal fatted calves were deleted from the criteria, and replaced with facts. When the brown-out didn't work, they rallied the students (through lies and distortions) to protest.

Same ol' story .... the teachers are not there to educate; their goal was to indoctrinate.
 
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Well, if they're so butthurt about it, there are plenty of other history sources freely available to them. No one made a rule that the only learning done must be in the classroom.

Well since the taxpayers are paying for that schooling, then the taxpayers should be respected and the kids should get history as unbiased as possible. And not just ignore the parts that make the US look bad.

Alot of what folks my age were taught in history class has been found to be very very biased and even wrong. That's not serving our kids or our country.

I'm just finishing up reading the Rape of Nanking right now. That is a horrendous event that was nearly ignored by the world until recently. Between 250,000 and 400,000 were killed...by all sources except the Japanese.

The Japanese have been teaching their children 3,000. :( And they still refuse to admit to the war crimes and atrocities.
 
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I see nothing at all wrong with this. schools should promote those aspects of history and while encouraging civil protests, not condone or promote the kind of lawlessness and uncivilized behavior displayed by the OCCUPY movement for example. While there are those who hate the Tea Party, you can't deny that they should be a benchmark for how a civil protest should be conducted.

So bias is fine, as long as it is bias you agree with. That certainly explains a few things...
 
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Schools have given out far more severe punishment than that for absence to do protests. They just have to prove that the punishment was as a result of student conduct and not another contingency.

The school was in the right to give an unexcused absence to these students.

That's your opinion.

IMO it's barely relevant to the topic.

And it points out that their protests are indeed being quashed.
 
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That's your opinion.

IMO it's barely relevant to the topic.

And it points out that their protests are indeed being quashed.

No, that's the law.
 
I'm guessing you have never really looked at the curriculum of a high school history class.

This town is about 45 miles away.

The teachers complained (held a 'brown-out) because some liberal fatted calves were deleted from the criteria, and replaced with facts. When the brown-out didn't work, they rallied the students (through lies and distortions) to protest.

Same ol' story .... the teachers are not there to educate; their goal was to indoctrinate.

What exactly are those "liberal fatted calves", and what exactly are the "facts" that replaced them? Since you seem to know, maybe you can share with us.
 
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They need to get the conversation started however. Which they succeeded in doing.

Are you suggesting that the discussions will be conducted in an unintelligent manner?

Absolutely not, however, I've long since believed that in order for one to get things changed one must maneuver into position of power to get said changes or bring in someone who is in a position of power in a discreet manner to change said things.

My father along with the citizens of Shelton completely changed the PD and the U.S never and will never know about it. Hell I tried so hard to google search it, page after page. Couldn't find anything. Not even on the DoJ's website.

Anyways, like I said, things can be done in a more intelligent manner than sign waiving. Very few situations have ever called for sign waiving.
 
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No, that's the law.

I just reread it. It says they are not being punished. That they are being given, as you said, unauthorized absences.' Big deal...they must mean little since they are not 'punishment.'
 
What exactly are those "liberal fatted calves", and what exactly are the "facts" that replaced them? Since you seem to know, maybe you can share with us.

lol must be a rhetorical question! (oops did I call you out?) :mrgreen:
 
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You said, and I quote:




Based on the links contained in this thread, and the links you have provided, that statement absolutely false.

Either substanciate that claim, or retract it.


Here you go:

"She said she’s not trying to eliminate the facts of U.S. history but shares the concerns conservatives nationally have outlined – that AP History casts some parts of history in a negative light, such as the bombing of Hiroshima and slavery. - See more at: http://www.cpr.org/news/story/jeffco-teachers-students-protest-proposal-promote-patriotism-history-classes#sthash.EFE3DP8D.dpuf"
 
lol must be a rhetorical question! (oops did I call you out?) :mrgreen:

No, it is an honest question. He made statements that indicated knowledge of what has been changed. I want to know what has been changed because without that knowledge it is impossible to judge whether the changes are good or bad.
 
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So bias is fine, as long as it is bias you agree with. That certainly explains a few things...

I never said that... Why is it you feel that dishonesty is nessisary to win an argument?
 
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I just reread it. It says they are not being punished. That they are being given, as you said, unauthorized absences.' Big deal...they must mean little since they are not 'punishment.'

If it is not punishment, how do you consider it a threat in order to quash dissent? It is a punishment, but it is punishing student absence from compulsory education. Schools, can, however, give out far more in the way of punishment than that. In some cases, fines are levied and community service.
 
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As usual, the uninformed rally to support the ignorant.

Contrary to what has been said here, there was no attempt to "censor" what the students heard. Rather, the proposal focused on the goals of the American History course. It seems inherently logical that a course in American History would focus on the creation of the nation, its founding principles, and it national beliefs. Included in those beliefs is the right to protest ... the intent wasn't downplay the actions of that past, but rather, to put them in their proper light.

Has anybody actually bothered to look at the proposed course?

"... "patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free enterprise system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights.” Is that NOT what you want them to learn?

I find it interesting, though, that the 'protest' only happened after the teachers couldn't get their way with pay raises ... and that 'several hundred' students protested. Given that Aurora High school only has two American History classes (30 students each?), I suspect this was less about educational hubris and more about getting an afternoon out of class.
 
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Anyways, like I said, things can be done in a more intelligent manner than sign waiving. Very few situations have ever called for sign waiving.


I'll remember to tell that to the blacks of the civil rights era and the suffragettes.
 
No, it is an honest question. He made statements that indicated knowledge of what has been changed. I want to know what has been changed because without that knowledge it is impossible to judge whether the changes are good or bad.

In that case good luck getting an honest answer...
 
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I'll remember to tell that to the blacks of the civil rights era and the suffragettes.

Remember to tell them they might be one of the very few situations ;)
 
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If it is not punishment, how do you consider it a threat in order to quash dissent? It is a punishment, but it is punishing student absence from compulsory education. Schools, can, however, give out far more in the way of punishment than that. In some cases, fines are levied and community service.

And yet, they are quoted saying 'it's not punishment.'

Seems more like a slap on the hand after I went back and read it.
 
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Remember to tell them they might be one of the very few situations ;)

And yet....very powerful.
 
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Here you go:

"She said she’s not trying to eliminate the facts of U.S. history but shares the concerns conservatives nationally have outlined – that AP History casts some parts of history in a negative light, such as the bombing of Hiroshima and slavery. - See more at: http://www.cpr.org/news/story/jeffco-teachers-students-protest-proposal-promote-patriotism-history-classes#sthash.EFE3DP8D.dpuf"

I already pointed that out here:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...um-w-234-a-post1063793543.html#post1063793543

Now can you please explain how you interpret that to mean that she "objects to the teaching of slavery" as sangha claims, and refuses to retract?
 
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I never said that... Why is it you feel that dishonesty is nessisary to win an argument?

It was certainly implicit in your post. You supported bias in teaching students.
 
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And yet, they are quoted saying 'it's not punishment.'

Seems more like a slap on the hand after I went back and read it.

It's leniency, but still punishment for being absent from classes. Schools were in the right to give out that dose of punishment.
 
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It was certainly implicit in your post. You supported bias in teaching students.

Not at all... I don't believe that, nor did I ever imply it.
 
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