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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

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I don't consider "well, it's never happened before" to be legitimate backing for such a claim as yours. Besides, kids are involved in school policy all the time. It's kind of hard to disagree with them on this. The only ones who do, really, are those who like what is being taught. Authoritarian indoctrination is wrong no matter which wing of thought it favors. Education should be education, it should favor as little bias as possible.

You are welcome to whatever you want to think. I do not believe for a minute that those kids initiated and implemented a protest that disrupted the educational process without some outside encouragement to do so.
 
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You are welcome to whatever you want to think. I do not believe for a minute that those kids initiated and implemented a protest that disrupted the educational process without some outside encouragement to do so.

So what?
 
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You are welcome to whatever you want to think. I do not believe for a minute that those kids initiated and implemented a protest that disrupted the educational process without some outside encouragement to do so.

Oh it's "disrupting education" is it? Would you think differently if these kids were protesting the supposed "marxist" principles in school textbooks instead of blind nationalism and obedience to authority?

At what point is the line drawn between "disrupting education" and standing up for your education? In that line only drawn only where you think there is legitimate protest?
 
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I went to a Catholic school and would object to alot of the material that was fed to me. Yet, if I so much as questioned anything I was shut down right away by my parents, grandparents, the nuns, or the teachers. I was encouraged to believe what was taught, not to object and was made to feel guilty for questioning anything against the religion or anything to do with science. Maybe that's why this subject of children being indoctrinated is sensitive to me - I lived it and was able to overcome it but do not underestimate a child breaking away from the mold and objecting.

I can't speak to your particular situation since that was not my experience. I'm sure a parochial school will push a particular point of view, and I am sure sometimes that does discourage critical thinking. I certainly know of fundamentalist schools that disallow challenge to the particular doctrine that is taught. My experience with Catholicism, however, was not at all restrictive and I was fully accepted even though I personally did not embrace much of the doctrine or tenets taught. So it isn't a one-size-fits-all world out there.

Again, because I was taught to think and evaluate things critically, I personally challenged many things I found in textbooks over the years. Some of the stuff is just downright dumb. But I still don't believe for a minute that those kids read those textbooks and organized a walk out protest of their own volition. I am pretty sure that was organized by those intent on instilling a different kind of indoctrination into those kids.
 
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Because the whole thing is, "boo boo hoo boo free speech everyone should have an opinion boo boo hee boo, maaaaan. why be patriotic when the government does chem trails maaaaaan 911 truth is patriotic maaaaan boo boo hoo boo"

Is there an english translation to this? I am missing the poster's point...
 
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Oh it's "disrupting education" is it? Would you think differently if these kids were protesting the supposed "marxist" principles in school textbooks instead of blind nationalism and obedience to authority?

At what point is the line drawn between "disrupting education" and standing up for your education? In that line only drawn only where you think there is legitimate protest?

Nope. I don't think kids would stage a disruptive walk-out protest against the Marxist principles that are taught in much of school curriculum these days without somebody with whatever motives encouraging them to do that.
 
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In education committees that have youth involvement as a desired or required component, it is not uncommon for it to be difficult to secure involvement. Of course, many operations are during inconvenient times for youth, but all things being equal, youth engagement is certainly lacking. That's not to say that adult involvement is much to discuss either, but in terms of sheer presence, youth are not actively involved.

Exactly. I mean it when I say my kids are clueless about school boards and political agendas of the people who serve on them, etc. I'll ask my oldest, but I'm going to venture to guess he would say his friends know nothing either, and he has a ton of them of all different sorts (jocks, eggheads, etc.).

My kids have never pushed back on what they are given to read or study.

My only gripe about what they have all been taught thus far is that they are basically clueless about the Constitution except for having read the copy we have here at home, and they've learned about a lot of history that's factual, including slavery and wars. They learned about the economics of slaves and the downside of slavery. They learned about the evils of Hitler and the great doings of the Allies while at the same time learning about Hiroshima & Nagasaki. I want them to learn it all - the good the bad and the ugly. I want them to grow up to be their own people based on what they know, and how they process what they know.
 
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Protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism in this Republic.

Just ask John Kerry who like others on the left attributed that quote to Thomas Jefferson... Oops... That's right, Jefferson never said any such thing and it was actually said by a liberal congressman back in the 60's and presented as historical to serve their agenda.
 
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Just ask John Kerry who like others on the left attributed that quote to Thomas Jefferson... Oops... That's right, Jefferson never said any such thing and it was actually said by a liberal congressman back in the 60's and presented as historical to serve their agenda.

What does this have to do with my statement that you quoted?
 
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you can say whatever you want. I simply wasn't making an absolute statement that had nothing to do with your friends. It just means that there are ways to die for your country that are not for the rights and liberties of the People. Don't like it? Don't care. That's your problem, you should learn to deal with it.

Actually it isn't my problem. It's your problem. You're the one that cannot even articulate your position, and juxtapose your own argument against itself as well as flat out misrepresent what a "absolute" is and is not.

Again, your ignorance is your problem, not mine.
 
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Actually it isn't my problem. It's your problem. You're the one that cannot even articulate your position, and juxtapose your own argument against itself as well as flat out misrepresent what a "absolute" is and is not.

Again, your ignorance is your problem, not mine.

Blah blah blah. You can die fighting for the State in ways that act against the People, that death is not the highest form of patriotism. You just don't like it, so you make ignorant statements and juvenile accusations to cover it up.

No skin off my teeth. Grow up, deal with it, move on.
 
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Just ask John Kerry who like others on the left attributed that quote to Thomas Jefferson... Oops... That's right, Jefferson never said any such thing and it was actually said by a liberal congressman back in the 60's and presented as historical to serve their agenda.

Actually, Jefferson had said plenty of remarks similar and far more radical than that.
 
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It would establish a committee to regularly review texts and course plans, starting with Advanced Placement history, to make sure materials "promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights" and don't "encourage or condone civil disorder, social strike or disregard of the law."

I see nothing at all wrong with this. schools should promote those aspects of history and while encouraging civil protests, not condone or promote the kind of lawlessness and uncivilized behavior displayed by the OCCUPY movement for example. While there are those who hate the Tea Party, you can't deny that they should be a benchmark for how a civil protest should be conducted.
 
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Actually, Jefferson had said plenty of remarks similar and far more radical than that.

No, no he didn't... The Jefferson library confirmed that there is no such quote, or anything that even resembles such a quote from Thomas Jefferson.
 
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Blah blah blah. You can die fighting for the State in ways that act against the People, that death is not the highest form of patriotism. You just don't like it, so you make ignorant statements and juvenile accusations to cover it up.

No skin off my teeth. Grow up, deal with it, move on.

:lamo You were serious? :shock: :lamo
 
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Equality is the very thing liberal textbooks don't teach about American history.

Only, and I do mean only European Christians are held accountable for any moral behavior. That is THE message.

Slavery, along with allowing few rights for women, and a culture of child abuse were all part of every Native American (Amerindian) tribe throughout the thousands of years before Columbus.
Yet, it was only the very European Christians that gave the world democracy and began the end of slavery in the West that were "wrong" for having slaves. Such racist bull.
If it was wrong for Washington and Jefferson to have slaves, then it should have been wrong for every Amerindian chief during the same time period to have them as well.

"They should have known better."

Another biased lie is that Europeans were evil by taking over the land of the peaceful noble savages who were just rowing their canoes and smoking peace pipes for 15,000 years before they were unfairly routed.

From when thier native ancestors from Asia and Europe first set foot on the land eons ago, there has been warfare and genocide.

In Comancheria the lands of the Southern US plains, the Comanche tribes killed and drove off the Western Apaches by around 1700 AD. The Western Apaches had done the same thing to the former inhabitants, as they had done the same. And on and on. The Comanche were the most warlike and brutal of all Amerindian tribes. Torture and mutilation was expected on anyone outside their ethnic group they came upon. Young children and women were taken as captives and sex toys. The rest, exterminated.
The Comanches kept the Spanish from occupying their territory, and it wasn't until the 1870's that better armed Anglos finally put their bloody reign of terror to an end.

Comanches: The History Of A People by T.R. Fehrenbach | 9780307774002 | NOOK Book (eBook) | Barnes & Noble

Amerindians should always be held to the same moral and behavioral standards as the Europeans. Their objectives were the same as all people throughout history: To gain and defend territory.

Well, number one; you’re talking about Europeans / English people who settled the east coast in the 17th century. These were the very same English / Europeans who had been exercising genocide in the Gaelic countries for about 500 hundred years by then. These same Europeans / English coerced both slaves and Indians to fight against American settlers in our Revolution for “land and freedom”. English / European land tenure was a paradigm of strength in the culture; even to this day. And yes, Indian tribes fought each other just the Clans of old fought each other, however America’s need for Manifest Destiny nearly wiped out a lot of Indian tribes and marginalized them to almost uninhabitable land the very same way that the English/ Europeans banished the Irish: “Hell or Connaught!”

I’m afraid that your analysis misses the point completely: human beings fight no matter who they are or what the reason, so to somehow overlook real history only makes the point about why these kids were smart enough to walk in the first place, and your analysis only iterates the conclusion that conservative ideology has no place in American education.
 
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While there are those who hate the Tea Party, you can't deny that they should be a benchmark for how a civil protest should be conducted.

In comparison with groups throwing rocks, yes. Otherwise, no.
 
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:lamo You were serious? :shock:

:lamo You can't formulate an argument? :shock: :lamo
 
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A student demonstrator, Tyrone G. Parks, a senior at Arvada High School, said Tuesday that the nation's foundation was built on civil protests, "and everything that we've done is what allowed us to be at this point today. And if you take that from us, you take away everything that America was built off of."


Mind full of mush.
 
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What does this have to do with my statement that you quoted?

That your quote is manufactured liberal hooey that was presented by the left in a historical context as a means to justify the anti-American sentiments expressed at liberal protests throughout the last several decades.
 
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No, no he didn't... The Jefferson library confirmed that there is no such quote, or anything that even resembles such a quote from Thomas Jefferson.

Not the exact quote, the similarity of rhetoric found throughout his writing. The guy was a revolutionary, sometimes to a fault.
 
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That your quote is manufactured liberal hooey that was presented by the left in a historical context as a means to justify the anti-American sentiments expressed at liberal protests throughout the last several decades.

K, well I wasn't really quoting anyone. Just stating that protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism that can be expressed in a free republic. It's true. So whatever.
 
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In comparison with groups throwing rocks, yes. Otherwise, no.

They were civil, peaceful, non-violent and not only did they abide by the law, they actually cleaned up their mess when they were done, instead of leaving piles of garbage in their wake.
 
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Nope. I don't think kids would stage a disruptive walk-out protest against the Marxist principles that are taught in much of school curriculum these days without somebody with whatever motives encouraging them to do that.

Exactly. These kids were coached or just plain told what to do.

I don't think that any one side should be left out of historical studies. The left has had a captive audience since the 1960's (the 70's for sure) and now it appears that the right wants to push them out in this particular school district. That, too, is not correct. It should be a full, inclusive and holistic recital of facts, not ideology, as it has been for decades. Patriotism and love of country have not been included in curricula for decades, yet blaming the US for the evil in the world has, and still is.

But again, these kids didn't walk out on their own. They were coached.
 
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