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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    This is not a local action, per the article it's a conservative movement in multiple parts of the country.
    Again, that is NOT government action. And it doesn't concern the federal government. It's all local government.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you think that there is some block to people getting the information about this country? We have at this time more information available to us than ever before in history, I don't think that some anti America message need be promoted in our schools.

    Tell me what do you think is the purpose of focusing on the bad is for? I mean, typically in your history from what I know of you posting here, I wouldn't say that you are pro America in the sense that you tend to focus on what is wrong with this country more so than what you see positive...So, do you think that people walking around constantly believing that America is a country founded on atrocity, and ignoble means provides for a continued American greatness? Or is the goal to tear down this country a notch or two?
    America wasn't founded on atrocity though, our fundamental founding philosophies are quite open and tolerant. We didn't always apply them that way, but we set things up so that our system could evolve with us and allow the Republic to become more free over time. It's not to say, though, that we should just glance past or even ignore the wrong that we have done as a country. We've done some messed up things, and we need to acknowledge that so that we can better prepare for the future and make better decisions in the future.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think people are smarter than that...You don't?
    I don't know. I'd like to think they are, but our aggregate population sometimes is taken very easily by the swindle.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.
    Agreed.

    No self-respecting historian would inject nationalism (or other forms of personal bias) into their lectures.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Good for them...It's about time that Conservatives started fighting back in the Academic arena. Liberal Socialists can't control it forever.
    So if the conservative movement is to be patriotic, not question authority, and downplaying civil disobedience, I should not be seeing any more threads bitching about the current president or the ACA, right?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's cool if it swings to the pro-America side, but I think teaching subservience and blind obedience to the authority is quite dangerous. So we should be careful on how we swing to the pro-America side.
    It's history class, not obedience training. Most kids are barely listening as it is, and those that want the negative side, well there are plenty of negative sources available to them.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Again, that is NOT government action. And it doesn't concern the federal government. It's all local government.
    Most historic civil disobediences of great impact have occured starting at the local level and ending at federal. Do you not think the actions of the federal trickle to the local and vice versa?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    Agreed.

    No self-respecting historian would inject nationalism (or other forms of personal bias) into their lectures.
    You obviously haven't studied much history or known many historians.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's history class, not obedience training. Most kids are barely listening as it is, and those that want the negative side, well there are plenty of negative sources available to them.
    And there are plenty of pro sources too. Schools have become "obedience" training in some light. The school systems shouldn't sugar coat anything, they should just provide the facts and the history. But claiming that they want to change educational standards to be more "Patriotic" and to "respect the authority" raises the ol' fascism warning flags. Ideally, history isn't presented in either pro or anti-America form; it should be presented as the facts.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Most historic civil disobediences of great impact have occured starting at the local level and ending at federal. Do you not think the actions of the federal trickle to the local and vice versa?
    You're asking the wrong person. I don't think the federal should be involved at all here. This is a state and local decision.

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