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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Are you done lying about my quotes now?

    Your last conclusion is also erroneous, can you make one, just 1, honest post?
    And now, when cornered, start calling people liars. Textbook.

    So, let's start again. Who has displayed more patriotism, someone who died defending their country or someone who protested an injustice?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Would they have been rebels if they were being taught to just respect authority?


    Let me ask you this, are you for a "small" government? If yes, how do you think you are going to be able to achieve that without a fight? Because that ship has long sailed away. If you are for a large government, then I can see where you would applaud the efforts to downplay civil disobedience.

    Which is why I really don't get why conservatives have this platform of small government yet want to write history books that teach the opposite of that happening. Maybe as a conservative you can help me understand?
    Sorry AM, the small government argument is out of place here, this is a local action, the small government thing has always applied to the federal government.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    And now, when cornered, start calling people liars. Textbook.
    You're the one who tried to claim by misquoting me that I had said patriotism and treason were the same thing. Which is a lie, so you can stop that, it would be greatly appreciated.

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So, let's start again. Who has displayed more patriotism, someone who died defending their country or someone who protested an injustice?
    It would depend on circumstance of death and protest. A protest could indeed be a greater display of patriotism than dying for the government. As stated before, death for the government isn't innately an act of patriotism. Nor are all protests acts of patriotism, ergo it is quite possible that dying for the government is a greater display of patriotism than protest.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I think neither anti nor pro American bias should be taught. Just teach the kids the facts without any bias either way and let them make their own conclusions on historic events.
    I'd agree with you there if that were at all humanly possible - it's not. Knowing that, I'd rather the bias be towards America rather than against it.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, but we do have to hear it all. America is great, the foundations of the Republic are deserving of proliferation and defense. But we've done some messed up things, and we need to know we did messed up things, acknowledge it so that we can push forward to a better tomorrow. It wasn't all rainbows and fresh baked apple pies, and sugar coating it just to sugar coat patriotism is many times an act of fascism, and a way to get people to not think about an issue.

    I'd rather the whole truth be told and for the individuals to make up their own minds.
    So you think that there is some block to people getting the information about this country? We have at this time more information available to us than ever before in history, I don't think that some anti America message need be promoted in our schools.

    Tell me what do you think is the purpose of focusing on the bad is for? I mean, typically in your history from what I know of you posting here, I wouldn't say that you are pro America in the sense that you tend to focus on what is wrong with this country more so than what you see positive...So, do you think that people walking around constantly believing that America is a country founded on atrocity, and ignoble means provides for a continued American greatness? Or is the goal to tear down this country a notch or two?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Sorry AM, the small government argument is out of place here, this is a local action, the small government thing has always applied to the federal government.

    This is not a local action, per the article it's a conservative movement in multiple parts of the country.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I'd agree with you there if that were at all humanly possible - it's not. Knowing that, I'd rather the bias be towards America rather than against it.
    Fair enough.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I'd agree with you there if that were at all humanly possible - it's not. Knowing that, I'd rather the bias be towards America rather than against it.
    It's cool if it swings to the pro-America side, but I think teaching subservience and blind obedience to the authority is quite dangerous. So we should be careful on how we swing to the pro-America side.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    This is not a local action, per the article it's a conservative movement in multiple parts of the country.
    Good for them...It's about time that Conservatives started fighting back in the Academic arena. Liberal Socialists can't control it forever.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's cool if it swings to the pro-America side, but I think teaching subservience and blind obedience to the authority is quite dangerous. So we should be careful on how we swing to the pro-America side.
    I think people are smarter than that...You don't?
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