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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

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    I showed you that the masacre was about a labor dispute among other things.

    Get over it.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Of course we occupied them right after the war, but my point was that we didn't take over Japan and make it the 51st state.

    We had to occupy them for a while not only to make sure they couldn't threaten us or any of their neighbors, but we had to help the Japanese people who were starving and had always been treated like crap by their imperial government. We introduced long over due societal reforms, like establishing rights for women, freedom of speech through a free press, we established labor laws and labor standards, introduced education reform and we broke up the corporate monopolies that had always prevented the Japanese people from making a better lives for themselves.

    It wasn't all sunshine and roses, but in the end, our 6 year presence their gave the Japanese people more freedom than they had ever known and set them on a path that in less than 30 years would see them become a world economic surper power... Something that every American should take pride in.




    That has nothing to do with this discussion.






    Let me put it to you this way... Do we take our 5 or 6 year old children to see slasher movies or rent XXX pornos for them to watch? Do we encourage 9, 10 and 11 year old girls to get on birth control and become sexually active? As adults, if we cheat on our taxes or lie to a stranger for our own personal benefit (which at one time or another most have done) do we tell them all about it or involve them in it? Do we tell kids the truth, that the many police officers can't be trusted because they are corrupt, dishonest, will arrest people for no reason, and some will even shoot people for no reason? Of course we don't because those things, and a whole list of others, can have a very negative effect on their mental development, their values, their moral outlook, and can create all kinds of social and psychological problems for them as adults.

    Everyone knows that what we teach our kids can and will, directly effect what kind of an adult they will become and although you may not think so, that includes what we teach them about the country that they live in. The "whole debate" as you call it, the graphic blood and guts details of war, and the darker, more shameful chapters in our recent history are things for adults to talk about and discuss, not kids.






    Adults should be free thinkers, but kids have to be taught the things necessary to build a solid social and mental foundation, so they grow up to be respectful, healthy, law abiding citizens who are optimistic about the future and see things from a positive perspective. There's a reason why we don't teach our kids that life sucks, the government sucks, cops suck, the justice system sucks, work sucks, etc...






    If you go back and read my post again, you will see that I'm proposing nothing of the kind. I want history taught with balance and a stronger emphasis on the things that make America great, because it's important for our kids to grow up with a sense of pride in America.

    Critical thinking is what they teach in college and for the record, teaching kids that Bush lied us to war and comparing him to Hitler isn't teaching them "critical thinking". It's teaching them to never trust the president, politicians, or the government, and that being American is nothing to be proud of.

    I was raised mostly by my grandfather who on the whole, was not a very nice man... There was a long list of things in life and in the world that he hated, but he was a WWII veteran who not only emphasized the importance of being honest, but he taught me to love and respect the country, and to take pride in being an American... And you know what? I'm a very well informed, educated, open minded "critical thinker" that knows America's screw-ups as well as I do it's triumphs... it's victory's as well as it's mistakes... and it's good decisions as well as it's bad ones.

    Unlike you self proclaimed "enlightened" ones, I don't feel that as a kid, I was lied to or deceived in any way because I wasn't taught about the enemies version of events in WWII, or heard the accusations of atrocities by American soldiers, or saw videos of doctors peeling the skin off of childrens backs in Japan, or wasn't given a first hand account of a person who's entire family was killed and their face was melted off from the A-bomb, who was treated like a leper, shunned by society and lived on the streets begging for food... Nope, not at all... The truth is, I'm damned glad I wasn't taught those things as a child, because I shutter to think how it would have effected my outlook, my perspective, and how I felt about being an American.

    This may surprise you, but the people from my grandfathers generation... you know, the ones who were patriotic, loved the country and were proud to be American... they weren't stupid, didn't live their lives as fools and commanded their own destinies. They worked harder, sacrificed more and did so with a hell of a lot less than what we have today, without demanding that the government step in and help them... Maybe that's why those uninformed, unenlightened, patriotic saps will be forever known as the "Greatest generation".
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Worth reading but the link didn't work.

    The Left's 'Wars' On children, on young adults and on basic American principles.
    By Pete du Pont

    March 28, 2014 11:06 a.m. ET

    The midterm elections are just over seven months away and the left has unleashed its usual rhetoric about the Republican "war on women." It's baseless political pandering of the worst kind, but not something the Republicans can ignore, as it will no doubt be furthered by a mainstream media that is biased, gullible or both.

    While Republicans are debunking this trope, they would do well to highlight some of the left's "wars."

    First is the war on children, waged by Democrats and their allies in the teachers unions. The tools of the school choice movement—vouchers, scholarships and charter schools—are simply about giving a reprieve to low-income children sentenced to failing schools. Many public schools provide excellent environments for learning, but not all do.

    Giving all families the ability to pursue a better education for their children—the same ability the president, members of Congress, and wealthy liberals have—is American to the core. A "good for thee but not for me" approach, evidenced in administration attacks on choice programs in the District of Columbia and Louisiana, seems the ultimate in hypocrisy.

    The Democrats' loyalty to the teachers unions is understandable since the union money, votes and volunteers are so important to their electoral prospects. But that does not make the damage any less significant for the children stuck in failed schools.

    Republicans should also stress the Democratic Party's war on young adults. ObamaCare penalizes young adults by coercing them to purchase and pay more than they should for health insurance at levels they often don't need. Republicans can point to the unemployment rate among young adults, which is higher than that for other age groups, and is at least partially caused by the left's economy-shrinking policies—not just Obamacare, but also excessive regulation and government control or meddling in all parts of the economy.

    While they are at it, Republicans could point to the almost reflexive demagoguery of Democrats to any attempt to fix the long-term finances of the Social Security program, making it less likely today's young adults will be able to count on Social Security when they are older.

    Perhaps more frightening, we see the insidious war being waged by the left on principles that have made our nation a beacon of hope and opportunity for over two centuries. From this administration's view that it is free to enforce only the laws with which it agrees, to its attempts to avoid political fallout by unilaterally altering provisions of the ObamaCare law, we see a disregard for the principle of the rule of law.

    Likewise the principle of state control, particularly with the Justice Department attacks on voter ID laws passed by states and its ludicrous claim that asking =a voter to show ID qualifies as intimidation. This, from the same Justice Department that did all it could to avoid prosecuting actual voter intimidation in 2008 by members of the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia.

    We see the Internal Revenue Service used as a political tool to stifle the free-speech rights of Americans who disagree with the President. President Obama initially, and rightly, labeled such actions outrageous, but his administration has since been stonewalling Congress and setting up what appears to be a whitewash, a Justice Department investigation headed by one of Mr. Obama's political contributors. Religious freedom is another right the left treats as nothing more than an inconvenience, most starkly in its overriding of conscience objections by the ObamaCare birth-control mandates.

    Even our nation's bedrock principle of "E pluribus unum" is diminished by the left's electoral strategy of divide and conquer—of splintering Americans along lines of race, sex, class and income level and stoking resentments for political gain. Not for decades have we seen anything like the level of demonization of individuals we've seen in Washington recently, from the president's disrespect of business owners, to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's attacks on private citizens as "un-American."

    It's all so wrong, and the Democrats know it's wrong (or they should). But they won't stop, and it's up to the Republicans to make their case to the American people.

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