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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

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    You're exactly correct ---- the current curriculum only uses Native American history as a foil to prove the follies of capitalism, free market economics, and the latent aggressiveness of European Americans.
    You are lying. The link that you posted shows that they ask questions about non-native american history.

    http://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/...=807452&ew=630

    Sample old question: The Northwest Ordinances did which of the following?
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    Provided for the annexation of the Oregon Territory
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    Established reservations for Native Americans
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    Granted settlers a free homestead of 160 acres
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    Established the terms for settlement and admission of the new states
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

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    I don't see how going over Washington's career would aid in teaching the history of our involvement in WWII.

    Sure, there are times when going over some aspect of those three's career would be helpful in discussing some other part of our history, say slavery. However, that's not the right wings complaint.
    Surely you could. Washington's shadow persisted throughout America's decision, just as John Quincy Adams did.

    We agree that the outrage is overblown, but I can assure you that increased and more demanding exposure is a valued component to teaching history.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't see how going over Washington's career would aid in teaching the history of our involvement in WWII.

    Sure, there are times when going over some aspect of those three's career would be helpful in discussing some other part of our history, say slavery. However, that's not the right wings complaint.


    ... and this is EXACTLY why we must teach history in its totality .... the failure to understand the underpinnings of the issues that resulted in key decisions is worse than being completely ignorant. At least in ignorance, there is bliss ... and inaction. The failure to understand only creates chaos.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You are lying. The link that you posted shows that they ask questions about non-native american history.

    * - ProProfs
    LOL --- a little knowledge is a dangerous thing ... especially when it's all you've got.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Surely you could. Washington's shadow persisted throughout America's decision, just as John Quincy Adams did.

    We agree that the outrage is overblown, but I can assure you that increased and more demanding exposure is a valued component to teaching history.
    Agreed, but the right wing is not asking for increased and more demanding exposure. They're asking for less.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Agreed, but the right wing is not asking for increased and more demanding exposure. They're asking for less.
    You're 100% wrong ... you have completely flipflopped the discussion.


    BTW --- I notice you haven't gotten all spun up about "Texas rewriting History". http://www.debatepolitics.com/educat...e-country.html

    I don't see you over there demanding proof ... but then, the propaganda favors your position, so you accept it without critical thought. i suggest you go apply the same level of critical review you THINK you're giving this one.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    You're exactly correct ---- the current curriculum only uses Native American history as a foil to prove the follies of capitalism, free market economics, and the latent aggressiveness of European Americans.

    I can remember a time when we actually studied Native American history ... I can still draw the map of the Indian tribes in the Midwest. I'm guessing that's not so true of today's student. It was a high school history class that got me hooked on studying the Anasazi tribe and its disappearance in 1320 (which was, and still is, a very gripping mystery). I'm guessing today's student has never even heard of the Anasazi tribe. We had to study the Iroquois Confederacy, and its impact on the US Constitution. Again, I'm pretty much convinced you can't find a student today that's aware of it. (By the way, it's an interesting side note that the Iroquois Confederacy was developed by a woman).

    THAT is the difference in teaching history ... and using history as a political indoctrination tool.
    While that is impressive, even this tells me that your education in Native Americans frequently necessarily rested on their interactions with white civilizations, rather than intrinsically for their own sake.

    It's a utilitarian decision, but also one which one could argue is a reflection of manifest destiny and minority social and political consciousness over the past century.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    [...] the school board member [Williams] is claiming that she doesn't know and the committee is meant to merely investigate what is being taught which is just as much a lie as GBFAN's non-existent report. The committee has been given the power to censor the curriculum
    Well, the answer is right here (from your link in post #2):

    The language in the second half of the resolution is virtually identical to language adopted by the Texas Board of Education. School board member Julie Williams, who sponsored the proposal, said people have misinterpreted what she’s trying to do. She said she’s not trying to eliminate the facts of U.S. history but shares the concerns conservatives nationally have outlined [...]

    - See more at: JeffCo teachers, students protest proposal to promote 'patriotism' in history classes | CPR
    This is one of those Koch-inspired politically ploys I outlined earlier... attack and overcome from within. Similar to ALEC in application, they distribute this boilerplate stuff from state to state, getting it passed/implemented wherever they can (read: Red states). Williams is most likely a clueless pawn, just doing what her handlers tell her to. She may not even know what is in the proposal she submitted; my suspicion is that it was most likely provided to her. For anyone familiar with current events over the past few years (or maybe as far back as the past decade) the Texas B of E has also been involved in rewriting textbooks to be more 'patriotic' and less inclusive of 'bad things'.

    Among the [conservative-controlled Texas Board of Education] changes: [Texas] Students would be required to learn about the “unintended consequences” of Title IX, affirmative action, and the Great Society, and would need to study conservative icons like Phyllis Schlafly, the Heritage Foundation, and the Moral Majority.

    The slave trade would be renamed the “Atlantic triangular trade,” American “imperialism” changed to “expansionism,” and all references to “capitalism” have been replaced with “free enterprise.”

    Texas textbook war: 'Slavery' or 'Atlantic triangular trade'? - CSMonitor.com
    The Heritage foundation and the "Atlantic triangular trade". OMG.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    While that is impressive, even this tells me that your education in Native Americans frequently necessarily rested on their interactions with white civilizations, rather than intrinsically for their own sake.

    It's a utilitarian decision, but also one which one could argue is a reflection of manifest destiny and minority social and political consciousness over the past century.
    You're exactly right ... to a point. Some have a hereditary interest in Native American history. But, most assuredly, understanding the Native American communities was necessary to prove proper perspective to the interactions between whites and Indians. That is exactly the point of the school board ... instead of simply holding Wounded Knee up as an example of the white atrocities, and demeaning white aggression, there should be a corresponding discussion of the New Ulm Massacre and Native American aggression. We should have enough faith in our teenagers that they are able to assimilate ALL the facts and make an appropriate judgement, rather than using the class to further political aims.

    All that notwithstanding, though, the use of the students as negotiating pawns in the labor discussions by the teachers' union is unconscionable.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    You're 100% wrong ... you have completely flipflopped the discussion.


    BTW --- I notice you haven't gotten all spun up about "Texas rewriting History". http://www.debatepolitics.com/educat...e-country.html

    I don't see you over there demanding proof ... but then, the propaganda favors your position, so you accept it without critical thought. i suggest you go apply the same level of critical review you THINK you're giving this one.
    There you go using that Rule #14 again - if you can't attack the message, attack the messenger
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