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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Comparing these kids to Rosa Parks or the American Revolution is another sign of how the US education system has so sharply declined.
    She wasn't in that instance comparing Rosa Parks to this student-teacher protest. She was referring to the desired guidelines which would attempt to apparently cultivate students to neither condone not encourage civil disobedience and questioning of authorities.

    Frankly, even though an ancestor of mine was a prominent figure of the bunch, I haven't much respect for the Sons of Liberty specifically because of their terrorizing democratic excesses and juvenile protests. Yet, I sense that conservatives love these overgrown children of the past simply because we institutionalized a glorification of these nuisances.

    This and many other instances of civil disobedience and questioning of authority make such public declarations lacking in thought.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    I still don't understand what you are saying. We shouldn't protest in the US, because other countries have it worse?

    I have lived in foreign countries. My family immigrated to the US, and my grandmother escaped genocide. Most of my friends and my fiancé are not what many people would consider "fully assimilated." I may one day live in one of those bad Middle Eastern countries for half the year and it will be my second home.

    I care a lot about freedom, because most of the people I know living in the US came here for it. I am not suggesting we teach children the US is crap and a bad place to live. I am saying that we teach children the constitution and value of personal freedom, free speech, freedom of religion, etc. People are going to protest the government, even when you support what the government is doing. Get over it. What really matter really's is the US doesn't murder or torture people for protesting the government.

    I don't care if these kids know what they are protesting or not. That isn't the point. People may use their freedom of speech to promote ideas and speech they later regret. US law doesn't protect people from making mistakes or regrets.


    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Your first post which I quoted said this:

    Why are conservatives trying to teach respect of authority and patriotism when they are anti government?

    I have noticed that they obey and follow authority and government leadership when it's conservative. For example, I remember Fox News screaming at Bush Admin protestors as being "unAmerican." But if you're antigovernment or small government, shouldn't you be critical of all forms of government? It doesn't make sense to me.

    I suspect the patriotism crap they hope to teach is anti-immigrant or "real America" indoctrination too. BS.


    You don't seem to understand that true conservatives want small government, which is not the same thing as "anti-government". Someone who is anti-government is an anarchists, and conservatives aren't anarchists.

    You also refer to patriotism as "crap". Do you think people should be taught that the United States is a bad country? It isn't. Try living in Somalia for a while, or Israel, or Colombia, or Zimbabwe. Nothing wrong with teaching kids that this is a good country. My children are the descendants of immigrants who came here for a better life - and found it.

    The actions of our military right now have no bearing on this discussion. The kids here who protested in all likelihood have no idea what they are protesting about. I'm also going to venture a guess that the adults posting in support of the high schoolers also have no idea what's being protested. Nobody has seen any detailed agenda.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    I am concerned with access to quality education versus the government censoring or teaching children propaganda.


    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    "A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but was soon demoted to an Office in 1868.[3][4] As an agency not represented in the president's cabinet, it quickly became a relatively minor bureau in the Department of the Interior. In 1939, the bureau was transferred to the Federal Security Agency, where it was renamed the Office of Education. In 1953, the Federal Security Agency was upgraded to cabinet-level status as the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.
    In 1979, President Carter advocated for creating a cabinet-level Department of Education.[5]"

    United States Department of Education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Before Carter, it was a minor part in American Education....Now look what they have become in 30 short years.

    And I don't believe that we will stop educating our youth should the responsibility be turned over to the states, or even the local communities.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Discuss? Yes. Moderate? Yes. Eliminate? Absolute folly.
    Indoctrination is fine...as long as they promote MY point of view!

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    I am not comparing these kids to anybody. I am simply stating why I disagree with the concept of teaching anybody to follow and obey authoritative structures within the government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Comparing these kids to Rosa Parks or the American Revolution is another sign of how the US education system has so sharply declined.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    What liberal bias?

    Again, I ask because I don't see the so-called blatant liberal bias so many conservatives are complaining about.
    Ask the person I was responding to that very clearly stated his college professors all offered a liberal bias (noting that the person that made that comment is himself rather 'liberal').

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You do realize both the French and Indians fought on behalf of the revolutionaries?

    You know nothing about history...

    Despite what you were taught when you were 7 - the revolutionaries smoked the British.....

    Are you wrong? Let me count the ways ....
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    I see the magnitude of the historical ignorance displayed in this thread, and I truly wonder why anybody would object to creating a valid history curriculum. Clearly, we've been deficient, based on testimony here, for several years.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So you support the school boards call to indoctrinate the students with patriotism because you oppose indoctrination!!
    WOW! Do you ever not fail to make any sense? Every one of the articles advocates education over indoctrination, and every one of the articles provides examples of indoctrination triumphing over education. Unlike the left, I believe our children are smart enough to figure out what was good and bad ... I don't believe the information fed them needs to be censored, massaged, and manipulated.

    Read the references -- clearly, you haven't. Because, if you had, you would see one of them advocates for your nonsense. I guess you can't actually be bothered to get educated, can you?
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by GBFAN View Post
    ... I don't believe the information fed them needs to be censored, massaged, and manipulated.
    Which is why you support this school boards attempt to censor, massage and manipulate the curriculum
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