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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So, before the Federal government was involved we didn't educate our children? Take a good look at common core, and tell me that their involvement helps anything?
    When was federal government not involved? In the colonies were burned women alive. They still have witch hunts in Africa where people blame disease and natural destruction on witches. Women are murdered in Africa and hacked up with machetes.

    We should have education in America. We need to study and understand what causes disease, earthquakes, etc.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    The act of instilling a sense of national pride is in fact... indoctrination.
    No it isn't... Political indoctrination is what's been going on in our schools for at least the last 40 years. They have been slowly removing the things in Americas history that made us great and set us apart from the rest of the world, and filling the gaps with the darker, more controversial episodes in our past with little in the way of balance and context.

    The focus has seemed to shift away from things like being the worlds #1 force for good when evil rears it's ugly head, for being the most charitable nation on earth, the first in line to offer money, food, medicine, supplies and man power when disaster strikes, and for having a military that has fought and died for the freedom of more people that it didn't even know, than every army, in every nations on the planet combined. Kids used to be taught that we are a nation that acts with good intentions, but isn't perfect and occasionally makes mistakes, to a nation with a history of mistakes who's motives are sometimes suspect... A nation that will sometimes do the wrong thing, but for the right reasons, to a country that's simply done wrong things.

    Indoctrination is when kids are taught history from a one sided perspective. The proposals put forth by that school board are not only designed to insure that our children don't learn anti-social and violent behavior, but rather how to act in a civilized manner, to respect the rights of others, respect law enforcement and to show respect for authority... but also to insure that they are taught history from a factual, balanced, non-political, non-opinionated perspective, and learn all the things in our history that made this nation great, that over the last several decades have slowly disappeared from our children's history books.

    Teaching our children the history that made America great and instilling in them the same pride and patriotism that was felt by my father and grandfather, would be the greatest gift we could give to our children, and would help to insure that America survives another 238 years. It's such a huge part of what made the American workforce the most industrious in the world, and gave us the determination needed both in Europe and here at home, to defeat Hitler and free 10's of millions of people in WWII. You may not see it, or maybe you fail to realize it, but with a loss of pride and patriotism, comes a loss of value and caring. People won't go the extra mile, make sacrifices and do what is necessary to preserve something that holds little value to them. If you don't believe me, then it's time to open your eyes right now and take a good, hard look at the people both in our society and in our government. There sure aren't many who are doing a lot of sacrificing, or going the extra mile for the country these days. Everyone is out for themselves and their own personal agendas, and you know as well as I do that we are slowly coming apart at the seams.

    Indoctrination indeed...

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's like asking "How many death panel hearings has the IPAB had so far?"
    In other words, you've got nothing.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Your responses aren't really responses. Do you think respect for authority should be taught in schools or not?

    I am confused why you quoted me, questioned me, but keep making closed statements with no insight to your beliefs. Usually when people quote and question you, they want a conversation. What are your opinions?
    Your first post which I quoted said this:

    Why are conservatives trying to teach respect of authority and patriotism when they are anti government?

    I have noticed that they obey and follow authority and government leadership when it's conservative. For example, I remember Fox News screaming at Bush Admin protestors as being "unAmerican." But if you're antigovernment or small government, shouldn't you be critical of all forms of government? It doesn't make sense to me.

    I suspect the patriotism crap they hope to teach is anti-immigrant or "real America" indoctrination too. BS.


    You don't seem to understand that true conservatives want small government, which is not the same thing as "anti-government". Someone who is anti-government is an anarchists, and conservatives aren't anarchists.

    You also refer to patriotism as "crap". Do you think people should be taught that the United States is a bad country? It isn't. Try living in Somalia for a while, or Israel, or Colombia, or Zimbabwe. Nothing wrong with teaching kids that this is a good country. My children are the descendants of immigrants who came here for a better life - and found it.

    The actions of our military right now have no bearing on this discussion. The kids here who protested in all likelihood have no idea what they are protesting about. I'm also going to venture a guess that the adults posting in support of the high schoolers also have no idea what's being protested. Nobody has seen any detailed agenda.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Labor dispute going on? Matter of time? Huh?

    One more time. The Boston Massacre started because a British guard hit a colonist over the head with a musket. It wasn't a civil protest, and it wasn't non-violent.
    Never disagreed with any of that.

    For a third time:

    From The Boston Massacre Historical Society

    http://www.bostonmassacre.net/academic/essay2.htm

    There are three major things that led to the Boston Massacre: First was the growing mistrust among the British soldiers and Americans. There were a number of other incidents were the British clashed with the patriots and their supporters. Individual soldiers were beaten on street corners and soldiers abused unarmed civilians. In all the Americans in Boston made it clear that the British soldiers were unwanted. The second reason is somewhat odd. The removal of two out of four regiments meant there were to inadequate amounts of soldiers to keep the peace. There were enough on the other hand to remind the patriots of the great British military. The last reason would be the revolt of the Townshend Acts. The patriots and Americans did not agree and strife with the British soldiers over it. The Act built tension between the two.

    On March 5, 1770 the dreadful day came. A mob of people went in front of the Customs Office in Boston Massachusetts and started to throw stuff and give insults at the soldiers. As a result to this so-called harassment the soldiers fired on the crowd. The first to die was an African-Amercan man named Crispus Attucks. He was a native of Frainghan, Massachusetts. He escaped from slavery in 1750 and had become a sailor. Crispus Attucks is considered the first martyr of the American Independence. The four others who died were Samuel gray, a rope maker; James Caldwell, a sailor; Samuel Maverick, a seventeen year old apprentice and Patrick Carr, a leather worker and Irish immigrant. All in which were unarmed and brutally murdered.
    The four were part of a labor dispute as I’ve already shown you. Knowing the situation, it was just a matter of time

    Now, tell me again that I don’t know what I’m talking about.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    When was federal government not involved? In the colonies were burned women alive. They still have witch hunts in Africa where people blame disease and natural destruction on witches. Women are murdered in Africa and hacked up with machetes.

    We should have education in America. We need to study and understand what causes disease, earthquakes, etc.
    "A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but was soon demoted to an Office in 1868.[3][4] As an agency not represented in the president's cabinet, it quickly became a relatively minor bureau in the Department of the Interior. In 1939, the bureau was transferred to the Federal Security Agency, where it was renamed the Office of Education. In 1953, the Federal Security Agency was upgraded to cabinet-level status as the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.
    In 1979, President Carter advocated for creating a cabinet-level Department of Education.[5]"

    United States Department of Education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Before Carter, it was a minor part in American Education....Now look what they have become in 30 short years.

    And I don't believe that we will stop educating our youth should the responsibility be turned over to the states, or even the local communities.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Never disagreed with any of that.
    Sure you did, your post #328 in this thread:

    Well, Bunker Hill started as a civil protest didn't it.

    This of course was before you realized that you thought you were talking about the Boston Massacre.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sure you did, your post #328 in this thread:

    Well, Bunker Hill started as a civil protest didn't it.

    This of course was before you realized that you thought you were talking about the Boston Massacre.
    Don't be obtuse.
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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Don't be obtuse.
    I'm anything but obtuse when it comes to your posts. Your posts are all over the place and filled with falsehoods. Every time I point one out to you, you change up and pretend it's what you meant all along.

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    Re: Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    That is kind of true of adults as well. I know many people who want a chance to protest as an excuse to miss work or as an "F you" to the powers of society. Protest tends to be more emotionally guided than intellectually guided. A few intellectual leaders usually tend to rise to become the voices and spokesman of the movement and the rest will parrot their words and talking points.
    Grade schoolers protest homework, lunch, dress-code, shortened recess....not curricula. Grade schoolers could give a **** about the acidemics because they'd just assume not go to school at all.

    I smell a rat.

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